Winning SNG stats

[scottie_g]

are these win rates, ROI, ITM from playing party SitnGoes or ANY of them such as at stars, poker room ect. I should think that some people would perfer to stay away from the all in donk fest that party presents to keep their winrates.

Not to speak for Dday, but I think he plays primarily on Party.

[heids]

are these win rates, ROI, ITM from playing party SitnGoes or ANY of them such as at stars, poker room ect. I should think that some people would perfer to stay away from the all in donk fest that party presents to keep their winrates.

Nearly all of my tournaments are played at Party. Yes, Party is a faster game, it just takes a different strategy than your slower more chip heavy tournaments. Obviously a person can be successful in the "Party" style of game. It's just a matter of knowing how to play in that environment.

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Scotty_g - Sometimes I multi-table (usually the $50 tables, occasionally the $100s), but more often I don't. Multi-tabling actually brought my numbers down so I'm reverting back playing one at a time (at least when I'm playing at $100 tables and above). I find I play my best poker when I'm focused on my opponents. Multi-tabling is nothing more than cookie cutter poker. This can work well at the lower buy-ins, but through my experiences at the $100 tables and above, the best results are derived from outplaying your opponents rather than playing on autopilot. Many people avoid tables that have multi-tablers sitting at them because they automatically assume they must be very good players. Although many of them are good players, they're playing sub-optimally since their focus on each individual game is minimal. And because of this, I actually love sitting at a table with a few multi-tablers. It's pretty easy to exploit the fact that they're not paying close attention to the game. Since I know their cookie cutter style of play, pretty much any min-raise on their flop bet will get them to fold, unless they have a monster. If they reraise, it's pretty obvious that they're strong and it's easy to let the hand go.

So look out Dday!

[LadyWrestler]

RE: "Could someone that is a winning SNG player post some stats about your play? (Heids, Dday, )

ROI, ITM, other usefull stats...

Also, how is the skill level at the various limits, $11, $22, $33, $55, $109 SNG's?"
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Hi! After well over 10,000 online ST 10 handed SNG's I can safely say I am probably a winning online player. My combined stats, which range from the $2.50 tables through the $200 tables are:

1st: 15.4%
2nd: 13.1%
3rd: 14.3%
4th: 12.0%
5th: 10.4%
6th: 09.7%
7th: 07.6%
8th: 07.6%
9th: 04.9%
10th: 05.0% (I hate this one! Grrr!)

It has been my experience that, for the most part, the skill levels got progressively harder as I moved up. My personal exception was, and still is, the $2.50 level...which seems to be much harder for me than I believe it should be. Other than when I moved from the $2.50 to $5 level it was usually very hard for me when I first moved up to a new level. At times I moved back down, to gain more experience and confidence, before I successfully and permanently moved up. I currently, primarily play at the $100 level, mostly 4 tables at one time. I still occasionally play some games above (mostly 5 Handed or 2 Handed) or below (mostly 10 handed) that level, and I sometimes use lower level playing to blow off some steam or work out new ideas I get from time to time. I sometimes play ring games but prefer ST tourneys. Sometimes, I play MT tourneys, SH ST tourneys, and I even still visit the $2.50 tables, occasionally, just for fun ($2.50? Fun??? LLLLL...cough...gasp...choke...GAAA!).

I use different user names and different sites to play on. I don't play as many home type games I used to, but I still do occasionally. I had to adjust my playing some from live, home type games to online play. In my case, I had to learn to play tighter online. As I moved up in levels I learned to balance becoming tighter with weak hands, while bluffing more often as well...and...I learned to balance being more aggresssive with strong hands, while setting more traps with them as well. (Sounds confusing? It is!!! Sometimes I think I would be better off if even I did not know what my hand was.) My mom, dad, and one grandfather, were poker players. They taught me a lot. I am a 31 year old female and I have been playing poker for money for 14 years, for fun and chips as long as I can remember.

I hope this helps you some. Have a great day!

[puckhead23]

11: Good Solid players thrive here but can be sucked out by fish.
ROI: 27.53
Fin. in $: 37
Avg. Finish: 4.91

I recently starting tracking my own 10+1 results on Party:

Finish ITM: 35.6%
Avg Finish: 4.71
ROI 1.0%

I find this interesting that our stats are so close, but our ROI so far. My #'s are only for 45 SNGs. I have 5 1sts, 3 2nds, and 8 3rds. I'm assuming you're finishing 1st and 2nd more often than me? Would you have kept track of your 1st, 2nd, and 3rd distribution?

[scottie_g]

I recently starting tracking my own 10+1 results on Party:

Finish ITM: 35.6%
Avg Finish: 4.71
ROI 1.0%

I find this interesting that our stats are so close, but our ROI so far. My #'s are only for 45 SNGs. I have 5 1sts, 3 2nds, and 8 3rds.

The 8 3rd places is what is really killing your ROI. It's $50 for 1st, $30 for 2nd, and $10 for 3rd right? This tells me that you need to work on your late game play and probably your Heads up play. Could also be that you are sneaking into 3rd by not being aggressive enough on the bubble.

I'm no SNG expert.. just observations.

[fishdawg65]

My stats for $10 have been on a down slope lately but they are basically the same:
100 tourneys in PT: 17 1sts, 10 2nds, 10 3rds

Not sure how you get such a low percentage of ROI if you are ITM 35% of the time...


As Scottie said, it definately could be the way you are placing. the amount of money between places can be a big difference. You are taking this directly out of PT, right?

[puckhead23]

No, I'm tracking using Excel. The ROI is right; I'm just placing like crap. I'm figuring $500 in (5 1sts, 3 2nds, 8 3rds) with $495 out ($11x45). With the info you gave me, you are in the top 2 73% of the time you are ITM (27/37), while I'm only in the top 2 50% of the time (8/16). That's a pretty big difference. My ROI would approach yours if I had better finishes.

I asked you the question because I'm trying to get a sense of why I suck so badly. Either I place poorly or I'm not ITM enough. I'm sensing I just place poorly. Scottie makes a point about my late game play; he's probably right. I am generally short stacked when the bubble bursts.

I stick to tournaments and ring games and get about breakeven results, but I am an outright donkey at shorthanded tables, and try to avoid them like the plague so my BR doesn't bleed out. I simply cannot find the proper mix between tight and loose (I always seem to be too much of one or the other) at these tables. This is a part of my game I am going to have to put some work into.

[scamlan]

Through about 165 SnG's (20's and 10's), since I started playing SnG's exclusively I have about a 23% ROI. I expect that number to raise as I gain experience and try to lose my self destructiveness. Through the bulk of these tournaments (first 125 or so) I was also very bad when it got short handed, that's why my ROI is only 23% but my ITM is 47.5% I've been doing much better short handed lately, but now I just don't have the time to play a lot of SnG's

[fishdawg65]

If you feel like you are shorthanded when the bubble is coming around, I feel there can be two things going on.
1. Playing too many hands and committing too many chips.
2. Not playing aggressive enough with the right hands.

One of the things I did to help my game was make a starting list of hands that I want to play. PT helped with this. I picked the hands that I wanted to play and I stuck with that unless I felt like I needed to play a hand because of an aggressive player or just to mix it up every once in awhile.

After that, I started working on how many chips I was putting into the pot at certain times.

First few levels: play very little unless have monster or starting hand but then tread lightly.

Middle levels: still play tight but look for a chance to steal blinds and/or double up with a monster hand.

bubble/late levels(smaller stack): look for a hand to double up on. Go all in. You need to start picking your battles and more often than not, with a little luck, you may find that you are coming on the top of things.

bubble/late levels(decent/large stack): look for ways to steal blinds but in moderation. I've seen many people try to steal too many then bust because they stole the wrong pot. If you've invested this much time into the tournament, make sure that you are willing to go all the way(go broke) with any hand.

In general, I try not to play too many hands and give away too many of my chips. Remember this phrase: penny saved = penny earned, or in poker terms, chips saved = chips used to take out your opponent later!

If you have any questions, maybe we can discuss you sending me some of your histories or vice versa and see what each of us do well and what each of us do horrible.

[scottie_g]

RE: "Could someone that is a winning SNG player post some stats about your play? (Heids, Dday, )

ROI, ITM, other usefull stats...

Also, how is the skill level at the various limits, $11, $22, $33, $55, $109 SNG's?"
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Hi! After well over 10,000 online ST 10 handed SNG's I can safely say I am probably a winning online player. My combined stats, which range from the $2.50 tables through the $200 tables are:

1st: 15.4%
2nd: 13.1%
3rd: 14.3%
4th: 12.0%
5th: 10.4%
6th: 09.7%
7th: 07.6%
8th: 07.6%
9th: 04.9%
10th: 05.0% (I hate this one! Grrr!)

Nice post, Ladywrestler. You seem like a solid player and it'll be good to add another veteran to the tightpoker forums.

Look forward to hearing future responses.