Tight Poker

[biggle10]

Mansion 3/6 (7 handed)

I limp UTG with AJo. Folded to BB who checks option.
Flop is 336. BB leads. Which is a best option?

A.) Call and pop the turn.
B.) Raise.
C.) Call down.

[randy72560]

I like option (D) Get up and find a NL table!

I suck at limit, but I really think you might have a fold here. The BB could have anything because everyone plays everything in limit. If I can't fold I guess I'm raising to see where I'm at??

[mervhage]

I like folding, to hell with wasting another dime when you don't even know where you stand.

[snickers99]

Oh good...I was going to reply first and say I would fold. But I suck so I waited to see what everyone else would say. And this is a great time to mention once again (although it's been a while) how much I hate AJo. AJs too, but not as much. Ohhhhh, I HATE AJo.

[mewsiclovr]

I like option (D) Get up and find a NL table!

[caffiend]

I suck at limit, but I really think you might have a fold here. The BB could have anything because everyone plays everything in limit. If I can't fold I guess I'm raising to see where I'm at??

And here I've been thinking it's a trick question the whole time. It's clearly a fold, so clearly that I assumed the question was more along the lines of what's best if you don't fold.

[mervhage]

I suck at limit, but I really think you might have a fold here. The BB could have anything because everyone plays everything in limit. If I can't fold I guess I'm raising to see where I'm at??

And here I've been thinking it's a trick question the whole time. It's clearly a fold, so clearly that I assumed the question was more along the lines of what's best if you don't fold.

since a fold is clearly the best option, if I'm not folding, then I'm raising and popping the turn, and checking river UI. I'd assume that someone calling me down from the BB most likely has the 6 (at worst). If I get c/r on the turn, I'm done.

[biggle10]

WTF? Why is everyone folding what is the best hand a huge percentage of the time? Villain has a 3 almost never. A 6 *might* lead, but would most likely check raise. Folding was not a given choice.

[caffiend]

WTF? Why is everyone folding what is the best hand a huge percentage of the time? Villain has a 3 almost never. A 6 *might* lead, but would most likely check raise. Folding was not a given choice.

Because there's nothing in the pot? Honestly, folding preflop would've been my first choice. I mean, AJo way out in front isn't really the shizzit. Plus he has two random cards he saw the flop for free with. You only have the best hand if he doesn't have 3, 6, pocket pair, better ace. You're even on shakey gound against shit like 45.

[biggle10]

WTF? Why is everyone folding what is the best hand a huge percentage of the time? Villain has a 3 almost never. A 6 *might* lead, but would most likely check raise. Folding was not a given choice.

Because there's nothing in the pot? Honestly, folding preflop would've been my first choice. I mean, AJo way out in front isn't really the shizzit. Plus he has two random cards he saw the flop for free with. You only have the best hand if he doesn't have 3, 6, pocket pair, better ace. You're even on shakey gound against shit like 45.

Small pot I can agree with. For discussion's sake, let's say villain has a better hand or OESD 20% of the time and bluffing the other 80%. What's my best line?

[caffiend]

Honestly, even if he bluffs 80% there I'm probably folding. That's right on the edge of profitable in most cases, and I can live with eating it in the corner cases. Against any decent player, your average win will be much smaller than your average loss. I think if someone's that manical with his bluffs you're better off catching him with solid hands.

In terms of chips it's best to call down to the river and then raise if he's going to bluff every street until you play back. But, that's going to run you into a lot of trouble every time he draws out on you because you don't know what he has. So clearly, the best long term value comes from raising at some point. Where that point is depends on if he's more likely to fold to a turn or flop raise.

He'd need to be a real moran to fold to a raise on the flop, because he's getting fantasic odds to take one off. And, let's be serious, you aren't really representing trips with your position and a flop raise heads up. That commits you to firing on the turn, so you may as well pool all of your chips and fire one big salvo with a turn raise. As an added bonus, you may have an extra scare card to work with.

If he's not tricky and just trying to pull a fast one then I'd raise the flop. Of course the flop and my cards don't matter there, because I'm figuring he'll always lead at raggedy flops for information and fold unimproved on the turn. If that's the case he's going to be seeing a lot of flop raises. On the other hand, I'm going to give up as soon as he check/calls the turn.

In short, option one against sticky, multi-street bluffers. Option two against rocks and thinking players.

[alanpsych]

I only continue if the villian is super duper LAGtard has shown down some real stinkers (T high and the like) and autobets every flop.

[biggle10]

I only continue if the villian is super duper LAGtard has shown down some real stinkers (T high and the like) and autobets every flop.

...so basically any 3/6 short game.

[shun]

It really depends on the player, if it's an ultra-tight passive big blind you're probably better off folding (on second thought you should probably raise him too), if it's someone with any kind of aggressive tendencies then you have a good chance of suceeding if you make a play here. Whether that means you call the flop to raise the turn, or raise the flop, etc, it doesn't matter too much and is a preference of style. You certainly risk less by raising the flop and betting the turn, even if KQ is taking one off on the flop they will probably fold the turn, but against good players they may read the turn raise as a much larger sign of strength and even fold a pair on the turn. A turn raise is much stronger than a flop raise and is a a good bluffing tactic when a flop bluff raise just won't cut it.

To be honest at first I wanted to fold but if I was playing my standard 5/10 game I'd probably be making a move here a very large % of the time. But I'd also raise pre-flop a very large % of the time there as well.