What pot odds do I need to call a PF raise in BB?
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What pot odds do I need to call a PF raise in BB?
by beezee » Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:39 pm
Aptar
What pot odds do I need to call a PF raise in BB?
« on: Jun 18th, 2005, 3:38pm »
What pot odds (how many people need to be in the pot) do I need to call a preflop raise in the Big Blind with any two cards?
mervhage
Re: What pot odds do I need to call a PF raise in
« Reply #1 on: Jun 19th, 2005, 8:34am »
3.5:1? Maybe a little less?
levistep
Re: What pot odds do I need to call a PF raise in
« Reply #2 on: Jun 19th, 2005, 9:18am »
I think you need more use more than just pot odds to justify calling a preflop raise.
Aptar
Re: What pot odds do I need to call a PF raise in
« Reply #3 on: Jun 19th, 2005, 11:42am »
on Jun 19th, 2005, 9:18am, levistep wrote:
I think you need more use more than just pot odds to justify calling a preflop raise.
This is in Limit by the way.
Yesterday, 3 people limped and the Button raised, SB called and I knew all three limpers would call. I had 8-4o and there was $9 in the pot and it cost me $1 to call. I did and it hit for a big pot. I was wondering if I was justified or just being fishy.
mervhage
Re: What pot odds do I need to call a PF raise in
« Reply #4 on: Jun 19th, 2005, 1:12pm »
9:1? In that case, that's more than enough to call with any two cards, I would imagine.
saldabano
Re: What pot odds do I need to call a PF raise in
« Reply #5 on: Jun 19th, 2005, 1:24pm »
You are definately going to play any two cards with 9:1 pot odds given that its only costing you 1$ it would be different if it were nl and it were costing you 9 more to call preflop
Aptar
Re: What pot odds do I need to call a PF raise in
« Reply #6 on: Jun 19th, 2005, 1:51pm »
I know 9-1 is an autocall, as well as 7-1. When I make these calls I want to hit a hand that is an obvious winner. I won't want to make that call with 9-4 and have the flop be k-9-2. I don't want to speculate that there are bluffers and my hand is best, I want to know that there is a good chance it is. With the 8-4 the flop was 4-3-4. So I was about 90% sure my hand was ahead at the moment. I guess a good question would be if I have 2 (presumably live) cards, whats the % chance that I will hit 2 pr or trips. Those are the only two hands that I would want to continue post-flop with.
When I say presumably live, I mean that I generally fold A-X in the BB to a raise if I'm getting borderline odds to call. I don't want to catch an ace in a big pot when I know I'm going to lose but can't fold. I want two cards (like 8-4, etc. ) that no one else is going to have.
goofyballer
Re: What pot odds do I need to call a PF raise in
« Reply #7 on: Jun 19th, 2005, 3:01pm »
Why is 9-1 or 7-1 an autocall when you're something like 40:1 to flop two pair or better, which is what you'd have to do to continue in the hand?
Aptar
Re: What pot odds do I need to call a PF raise in
« Reply #8 on: Jun 19th, 2005, 3:28pm »
I guess thats the information I was looking for. Its not that I wont continue without 2 pr, but I'm not going to continue with mid-pr, or should I, even if I know I'm behind at that point.
Fictional Hand:
Hero in BB dealt: 4s-7s
In every situation you are getting 9-1 to call, 5 people in the hand.
First flop:
5-6-A rainbow
Second flop:
5s-6s-Ax
Third flop:
5s-6s-As
Fourth Flop:
K-7-7 rainbow
Fifth Flop:
K-7-4 rainbow
Sixth Flop:
Kc-7c-4c
Seventh Flop:
K-7-2 rainbow
Eighth Flop:
2-2-4 rainbow
Ninth Flop:
As-7c-2s
Tenth Flop:
A-6-3 rainbow
How do you play these flops?
goofyballer
Re: What pot odds do I need to call a PF raise in
« Reply #9 on: Jun 20th, 2005, 6:26am »
74s is still a suited two-gap connector...I can think of worse hands to have, and that might be worth a call with 9:1 odds preflop. But what if you have 72o? If you have true garbage (not suited, not connected), why would you ever call with 9:1?
As for those flops, I try to play the first one for most value (i.e. bet and raise if there's a few people in the pot, try to get free cards or fold if there's not), pump the shit out of 2 through 6 since you likely have the best hand in all of them, and fold the rest unless it's a ginormous pot and I'm getting odds to chase my garbage.
Aptar
Re: What pot odds do I need to call a PF raise in
« Reply #10 on: Jun 20th, 2005, 6:55am »
on Jun 20th, 2005, 6:26am, goofyballer wrote:
74s is still a suited two-gap connector...I can think of worse hands to have, and that might be worth a call with 9:1 odds preflop. But what if you have 72o? If you have true garbage (not suited, not connected), why would you ever call with 9:1?
As for those flops, I try to play the first one for most value (i.e. bet and raise if there's a few people in the pot, try to get free cards or fold if there's not), pump the shit out of 2 through 6 since you likely have the best hand in all of them, and fold the rest unless it's a ginormous pot and I'm getting odds to chase my garbage.
Thanks. I'd been having alot of trouble playing in the BB with garbage when I KNEW I was getting sufficient pot odds to call the bet, but ended up folding alot post flop when I caught nothing or hitting top pair only to be outdrawn or beaten in the first place. I think that is probably one of the scenarios right now that is costing me the most money in limit.
So the best way to handle this is to only call the PF raise when I have some sort of odds is to play a hand I might limp in with?
This is a suggestion:
Hands I wouldn't fold in the BB to a raise:
Suited connectors (6-7 and up)
any pocket pair (of course)
connectors??
Suited aces
suited kings??
Any suggestions?
I'm really trying to plug this leak.
What pot odds do I need to call a PF raise in BB?
« on: Jun 18th, 2005, 3:38pm »
What pot odds (how many people need to be in the pot) do I need to call a preflop raise in the Big Blind with any two cards?
mervhage
Re: What pot odds do I need to call a PF raise in
« Reply #1 on: Jun 19th, 2005, 8:34am »
3.5:1? Maybe a little less?
levistep
Re: What pot odds do I need to call a PF raise in
« Reply #2 on: Jun 19th, 2005, 9:18am »
I think you need more use more than just pot odds to justify calling a preflop raise.
Aptar
Re: What pot odds do I need to call a PF raise in
« Reply #3 on: Jun 19th, 2005, 11:42am »
on Jun 19th, 2005, 9:18am, levistep wrote:
I think you need more use more than just pot odds to justify calling a preflop raise.
This is in Limit by the way.
Yesterday, 3 people limped and the Button raised, SB called and I knew all three limpers would call. I had 8-4o and there was $9 in the pot and it cost me $1 to call. I did and it hit for a big pot. I was wondering if I was justified or just being fishy.
mervhage
Re: What pot odds do I need to call a PF raise in
« Reply #4 on: Jun 19th, 2005, 1:12pm »
9:1? In that case, that's more than enough to call with any two cards, I would imagine.
saldabano
Re: What pot odds do I need to call a PF raise in
« Reply #5 on: Jun 19th, 2005, 1:24pm »
You are definately going to play any two cards with 9:1 pot odds given that its only costing you 1$ it would be different if it were nl and it were costing you 9 more to call preflop
Aptar
Re: What pot odds do I need to call a PF raise in
« Reply #6 on: Jun 19th, 2005, 1:51pm »
I know 9-1 is an autocall, as well as 7-1. When I make these calls I want to hit a hand that is an obvious winner. I won't want to make that call with 9-4 and have the flop be k-9-2. I don't want to speculate that there are bluffers and my hand is best, I want to know that there is a good chance it is. With the 8-4 the flop was 4-3-4. So I was about 90% sure my hand was ahead at the moment. I guess a good question would be if I have 2 (presumably live) cards, whats the % chance that I will hit 2 pr or trips. Those are the only two hands that I would want to continue post-flop with.
When I say presumably live, I mean that I generally fold A-X in the BB to a raise if I'm getting borderline odds to call. I don't want to catch an ace in a big pot when I know I'm going to lose but can't fold. I want two cards (like 8-4, etc. ) that no one else is going to have.
goofyballer
Re: What pot odds do I need to call a PF raise in
« Reply #7 on: Jun 19th, 2005, 3:01pm »
Why is 9-1 or 7-1 an autocall when you're something like 40:1 to flop two pair or better, which is what you'd have to do to continue in the hand?
Aptar
Re: What pot odds do I need to call a PF raise in
« Reply #8 on: Jun 19th, 2005, 3:28pm »
I guess thats the information I was looking for. Its not that I wont continue without 2 pr, but I'm not going to continue with mid-pr, or should I, even if I know I'm behind at that point.
Fictional Hand:
Hero in BB dealt: 4s-7s
In every situation you are getting 9-1 to call, 5 people in the hand.
First flop:
5-6-A rainbow
Second flop:
5s-6s-Ax
Third flop:
5s-6s-As
Fourth Flop:
K-7-7 rainbow
Fifth Flop:
K-7-4 rainbow
Sixth Flop:
Kc-7c-4c
Seventh Flop:
K-7-2 rainbow
Eighth Flop:
2-2-4 rainbow
Ninth Flop:
As-7c-2s
Tenth Flop:
A-6-3 rainbow
How do you play these flops?
goofyballer
Re: What pot odds do I need to call a PF raise in
« Reply #9 on: Jun 20th, 2005, 6:26am »
74s is still a suited two-gap connector...I can think of worse hands to have, and that might be worth a call with 9:1 odds preflop. But what if you have 72o? If you have true garbage (not suited, not connected), why would you ever call with 9:1?
As for those flops, I try to play the first one for most value (i.e. bet and raise if there's a few people in the pot, try to get free cards or fold if there's not), pump the shit out of 2 through 6 since you likely have the best hand in all of them, and fold the rest unless it's a ginormous pot and I'm getting odds to chase my garbage.
Aptar
Re: What pot odds do I need to call a PF raise in
« Reply #10 on: Jun 20th, 2005, 6:55am »
on Jun 20th, 2005, 6:26am, goofyballer wrote:
74s is still a suited two-gap connector...I can think of worse hands to have, and that might be worth a call with 9:1 odds preflop. But what if you have 72o? If you have true garbage (not suited, not connected), why would you ever call with 9:1?
As for those flops, I try to play the first one for most value (i.e. bet and raise if there's a few people in the pot, try to get free cards or fold if there's not), pump the shit out of 2 through 6 since you likely have the best hand in all of them, and fold the rest unless it's a ginormous pot and I'm getting odds to chase my garbage.
Thanks. I'd been having alot of trouble playing in the BB with garbage when I KNEW I was getting sufficient pot odds to call the bet, but ended up folding alot post flop when I caught nothing or hitting top pair only to be outdrawn or beaten in the first place. I think that is probably one of the scenarios right now that is costing me the most money in limit.
So the best way to handle this is to only call the PF raise when I have some sort of odds is to play a hand I might limp in with?
This is a suggestion:
Hands I wouldn't fold in the BB to a raise:
Suited connectors (6-7 and up)
any pocket pair (of course)
connectors??
Suited aces
suited kings??
Any suggestions?
I'm really trying to plug this leak.
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