Trying a 10/20...Turn: Top Pair And Draw Against Turn Raise

[LadyWrestler]

WPEX Hand. First stab at 10/20 (full table):

I have no specific reads, but the whole table seems very tight, including me so far. As far as I know they have no specific reads on me either.

Villain is BB. (SB, BB, and I have more than enough cash at the table)

To me it is 6 folds.


Me - - raises to $20
D- folds
SB - calls $15 to $20
BB (Villain) - calls $10 to $20

Flop -

SB - bets $10
BB (Villain) - calls $10
Me - raises to $20
SB - calls $20
BB - calls $20

Turn -

SB - bets $20
BB (Villain) - raises to $40
Me: ???

Edit=minor typo, no major change.)

[micloren]

Definately call to see the river since you are getting the odds.

SB:

Most likely at least a pair probably top pair. I've seen people make this play (betting into raiser twice) with a straight or two pair but, most of the time it is weakness. Although it is 10/20 ... so i wouldn't be suprised if he's playing your aggression against you. The highest i've played is 5/10 and there are still plenty of idiots at that level that will make this play with mid pair or something.

BB:

Atleast 2 pair. Probably flopped a straight. Could also have something like JQh although i think this is the most unlikely.


If it was just you and the sb i will normally just call this down unless i have a strong hand in which ill keep raising.

[easy_as_pie]

i wouldn't peel here given the action

you folded?

[LadyWrestler]

Thanks, sirs!

I called. It got more interesting from there...

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To me it is 6 folds.


Me - - raises to $20
D- folds
SB - calls $15 to $20
BB (Villain) - calls $10 to $20

Flop -

SB - bets $10
BB (Villain) - calls $10
Me - raises to $20
SB - calls $20
BB - calls $20

Turn -

SB - bets $20
BB (Villain) - raises to $40
Me: called $40
SB - folds

River -

BB (Villain) - bets $20
Me: Call??? Raise??? Fold is another option, I guess???

Edit=minor typo, no major change.)

[overbet it]

I had a very detailed post and then I reread and found the sb folded the turn which makes my read of him with a pair of 8's or a set look stupid. The river I would just call because the pot is so juicy and you don't want the BB to flip J8.

[sfustsh]

Okay NO WAY can you slowplay ANYTHING in limit. I'm raising and probably capping here with TP/OESD. I definitely call the turn as well, I still don't know that I'm behind and if I am I've got like a million outs. Maybe he's got 2 pairs or just realized on the turn that his 8 makes an OESD. Lots of possibilities. If I am losing to two pairs I have 4 sixes 2 tens and any board pair (giving you tens up) for 9 outs and 4 jacks also = 19 outs! If it's a set I've only got 10 but that's still pretty good.

You may (in fact, are likely to) be chopping here. The fact that you didn't get reraised on the flop rather rules out J8 in my opinion. He may be perceptive enough to know you could just as easily have an overpair (JJ+) since you raised preflop and call his set.

No way you can fold this, ever.

overbet it, What the hell are you talking about? BB has to call a raise every time, even with a set.

[fifo]

Maybe he's got 2 pairs or just realized on the turn that his 8 makes an OESD. Lots of possibilities.

This isn't .5/1

No way you can fold this, ever.

True. Would make T2s sense for BB (other than J8 )?

LW: Was this a blind steal attempt or do you regularily play T8 from LP?

[LadyWrestler]

LW: Was this a blind steal attempt or do you regularily play T8 from LP?

Maybe I should have mentioned earlier that the original dealer in this hand appeared to be extremely tight and weak. I, in effect, took it upon myself to play the dealer roll and go for the steal. (I became the dealer because I was nearly certain that he would not, unless he had AA, KK, or AK. I also believed the small blind was a tight preflop, sort of weak post flop player, and had the big blind tagged as mostly tight and solid, but not real good at defending.)

To give a shorter answer to your question: No. I do not normally try this with T8o, from that preflop position.

Edit: Spelling

[LadyWrestler]

Thanks, all!

I called the river.
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To me it is 6 folds.


Me - - raises to $20
D- folds
SB - calls $15 to $20
BB (Villain) - calls $10 to $20

Flop -

SB - bets $10
BB (Villain) - calls $10
Me - raises to $20
SB - calls $20
BB - calls $20

Turn -

SB - bets $20
BB (Villain) - raises to $40
Me - called $40
SB - folds

River -

BB (Villain) - bets $20
Me - Called

Villain flipped up

[fifo]

To give a shorter answer to your question: No. I do not normally try this with T8o, from that preflop position.

Ok, thanks. Actually, a slowplayed set was my first guess. But then I thought that it'd take quite some guts/be pretty stupid to do that on such a coordinated board. Ah well...

[LadyWrestler]

To give a shorter answer to your question: No. I do not normally try this with T8o, from that preflop position.

Ok, thanks. Actually, a slowplayed set was my first guess. But then I thought that it'd take quite some guts/be pretty stupid to do that on such a coordinated board. Ah well...

I agree! The only thing I could think of was that he was afraid I might have J8.

[ugignadl]

Wow, villain in this hand played TT pretty badly . Biggle?

[poormanbilly]

I'm not a limit player, and this is going to look results oriented since I'm posting after you put up the results, but I was thinking it this morning and just didn't have time to post. I don't see how you CAN'T raise the river after he bets. Putting him on J8 and then just calling is weeeeeeak/tight. You need to squeeze every bet you can out of a limit game because it's so damn swingy.

[LadyWrestler]

Wow, villain in this hand played TT pretty badly . Biggle?

Yes, he did.

[LadyWrestler]

I'm not a limit player, and this is going to look results oriented since I'm posting after you put up the results, but I was thinking it this morning and just didn't have time to post. I don't see how you CAN'T raise the river after he bets. Putting him on J8 and then just calling is weeeeeeak/tight. You need to squeeze every bet you can out of a limit game because it's so damn swingy.

I have been told I am weak/tight before, and I have been slowly working on raising my aggression a little bit more. I appreciate your honest input! Thank you!