This Omaha stuff is sweet.

[poormanbilly]

I was having a bad HE run, so I sat down at the Omaha tables. Thanks for the donation pal, it made my night.


Full Tilt Poker Game #478834205: Table Capertino - $0.50/$1 - Pot Limit Omaha - 23:42:45 ET - 2006/03/04
Seat 1: AngryMule ($9.45)
Seat 2: CanDane ($45)
Seat 3: PoorManBilly ($96.50)
Seat 4: DeuceBuster ($146.55)
Seat 5: wild410 ($50.75)
Seat 6: AA MEMBER ($69.70)
Seat 7: Hophead776 ($110.35)
Seat 8: prowlerslim ($95.45)
Seat 9: AGBlackWidow ($74.30)
Hophead776 has 5 seconds left to act
Hophead776 posts the small blind of $0.50
prowlerslim has 5 seconds left to act
prowlerslim posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PoorManBilly [:5h: ]
AGBlackWidow folds
AGBlackWidow stands up
AngryMule calls $1
CanDane folds
PoorManBilly raises to $3
DeuceBuster calls $3
wild410 folds
AA MEMBER calls $3
Hophead776 calls $2.50
prowlerslim calls $2
AngryMule calls $2
*** FLOP *** [:9c: ]
Hophead776 bets $18
prowlerslim folds
AngryMule folds
PoorManBilly calls $18
DeuceBuster folds
AA MEMBER folds
*** TURN *** [9c 9h 8s] [:5s:]
Hophead776 bets $54
PoorManBilly raises to $75.50, and is all in
Hophead776 calls $21.50
PoorManBilly shows [5h Ah 9d Ad]
Hophead776 shows [9s 4c Ts 4s]
poker_player019 sits down
*** RIVER *** [9c 9h 8s 5s] [:3h:]
poker_player019 adds $40
PoorManBilly shows a full house, Nines full of Fives
Hophead776 shows three of a kind, Nines
PoorManBilly wins the pot ($202) with a full house, Nines full of Fives
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $205 | Rake $3
Board: [9c 9h 8s 5s 3h]
Seat 1: AngryMule folded on the Flop
Seat 2: CanDane didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: PoorManBilly showed [5h Ah 9d Ad] and won ($202) with a full house, Nines full of Fives
Seat 4: DeuceBuster folded on the Flop
Seat 5: wild410 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: AA MEMBER (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: Hophead776 (small blind) showed [:9s: ] and lost with three of a kind, Nines
Seat 8: prowlerslim (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: AGBlackWidow didn't bet (folded)

[biggle10]

I know you won, but this looks a little like overvalueing trips... I don't know enough about Omaha.

[poormanbilly]

I know you won, but this looks a little like overvalueing trips... I don't know enough about Omaha.

I was worried about that too, which is why I just called the flop. I guess I could have folded, but you've got to play some hands. I'm probably a donkey in Omaha, but I don't care, everyone else is. Let's ask Merv.

[biggle10]

Its hands like this that get me in trouble while playing Omaha and I'm wondering best way to play it. The turn bet worries me some, but 88 and 55 are very possible villain hands (maybe he has 679 ?). I would kick a puppy if he turns over 98.

[poormanbilly]

Its hands like this that get me in trouble while playing Omaha and I'm wondering best way to play it. The turn bet worries me some, but 88 and 55 are very possible villain hands (maybe he has 679 ?). I would kick a puppy if he turns over 98.

Well, I filled up on the turn, so I wanted him to have 88, where I didn't want that on the flop. If he has 98, I'll take my lumps, but would he bet that on the flop? Since I raised, it seems like that should be a check reraise. Honestly, I don't know how I can put people on any kind of hands in this game. The lower limits are donk fests, so I'm just hoping to run into bigger donks.

[caffiend]

Its hands like this that get me in trouble while playing Omaha and I'm wondering best way to play it. The turn bet worries me some, but 88 and 55 are very possible villain hands (maybe he has 679 ?). I would kick a puppy if he turns over 98.

98 Would be most likely if he had half a brain, but he doesn't. The turn bet would actually encourage me here, because I'd figure he picked up a flush draw along with his shitty trips or wrap. Obviously, if he's happy to pick up the draw he doesn't have a full house. (88 and 55 give him a smaller boat, by the way. I wouldn't be too worried about that holding nines full)

That's a dangerous call on the flop though. Even if he only has trips, he's got nine cards to make a boat with while you only have five. If he's got a wrap or something along with that you could easily be a dog. I suspect raising or folding are the best options, but in the end I think it's a nice win if you were sure he had garbage and a bad habit if you make that call routinely.

[mervhage]

Very nice hand I'm glad he didn't turn over 98. Really, there's nothing you can do here. You're extremely fortunate that this guy takes a hand like he had to the flop, b/c when you take inferior hands like these, the result is usually as this one turned out. This is why I stress postflop play so much.

If I'm the other guy and I find myself stupid and retarded so I call with this super-trash hand, I'm not gonna bet this flop. A four wouldn't make me feel any better b/c I'm still looking at an underfull. If a ten comes off, then I have to feel good about my hand. That's it, 3 tens left in the deck.

I certainly wouldn't bet the pot, I'd rather get a cheaper showdown, b/c trips are not a big deal. You don't want to spend $100 finding that out either.

Honestly Billy, if you don't fill up on the turn, you would be hard pressed to call another pot sized bet with your hand. This is normally where I'd dump the hand. If someone is betting strong as hell, you have to give them credit, unless you have notes that the person's betting indicates that he in fact doesn't have a boat, in which case you'd know your hand is best.

Did I lose you yet?

It's a nice takedown, too bad they don't always end up like this (where the hero wins and the villain gets smacked).

[poormanbilly]

Honestly Billy, if you don't fill up on the turn, you would be hard pressed to call another pot sized bet with your hand. This is normally where I'd dump the hand. If someone is betting strong as hell, you have to give them credit, unless you have notes that the person's betting indicates that he in fact doesn't have a boat, in which case you'd know your hand is best.

I was ready to dump it on the turn to another big bet if something good didn't happen. It's really tough though. I didn't KNOW the guy was a donkey, but I was starting to wonder. Since I was ready to dump it on the turn, I guess that makes my flop call a little loose. I'm certainly not raising the flop and I'd feel like a wussie folding this, so I guess I'm happy with calling. I know they always say pros dump it on the flop and amateurs dump it on the turn.

I'm sure he thought I had AA and he could get some extra money out of me on the flop. When he bet the flop, I didn't think he had 98 because that seems more like a check raise to me. Am I wrong in thinking that?

[goofyballer]

Bad run at HE and you sit down at $0.50/$1 PLO??? When did you start high-rolling? Have I just not been paying attention to what you normally play?

[poormanbilly]

Bad run at HE and you sit down at $0.50/$1 PLO??? When did you start high-rolling? Have I just not been paying attention to what you normally play?

LOL, I don't know. I've built up a decent bankroll the last few months, so I'm ok with playing $.5/$1 PLO. The swings are bigger than HE, but you can't play $25 games forever, right?

[mervhage]

I'm sure he thought I had AA and he could get some extra money out of me on the flop. When he bet the flop, I didn't think he had 98 because that seems more like a check raise to me. Am I wrong in thinking that?

Yes, you are wrong in thinking that. It's silly to check raise the flop. PL requires pot building. If he checks and you check behind him, then the pot stays small and he's not going to get as much money in as he'd want to. If I flop a full, I'll always bet the pot. You'll usually catch someone who has trips, and they'll be looking you up. This is especially crucial when I play hi/lo, b/c you have people who chase any kind of low, you should always make it the max to go.

[poormanbilly]

Yes, you are wrong in thinking that. It's silly to check raise the flop. PL requires pot building. If he checks and you check behind him, then the pot stays small and he's not going to get as much money in as he'd want to. If I flop a full, I'll always bet the pot. You'll usually catch someone who has trips, and they'll be looking you up. This is especially crucial when I play hi/lo, b/c you have people who chase any kind of low, you should always make it the max to go.

Ok, I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for the thoughts. BTW: You're almost to 1000! Edit: 1000 it is.