Standard or Foldable
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Standard or Foldable
by mirage » Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:00 am
Looking back at the line I suppose I can find a fold, but I had just sat down so for all I knew the guy was a LAGtard. (Fortunately I won a similar hand moments later that gave me my money back.)
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) TightPoker converter
Hero ($29.10)
SB ($9.60)
BB ($22.25)
UTG ($8.75)
MP ($12.75)
CO ($20.50)
Preflop: Hero is Button with
, 
. UTG posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG (poster) checks, MP calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, SB completes, BB checks.
Flop: ($1.50)
, 
, 
(6 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.75, UTG folds, MP calls $0.75, CO folds, Hero raises to $2, SB folds, BB raises to $4, MP folds, Hero calls $2.
Turn: ($10.25)
(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1, BB raises to $4, Hero raises to $24.85, BB calls $14 (All-In).
River: ($53.10)
(2 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: $53.10
Results hidden below:
BB has Qc Ad (full house, aces full of queens).
Hero has 4c Ac (full house, aces full of fours).
Outcome: BB wins $46.25. Hero wins $6.85.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) TightPoker converter
Hero ($29.10)
SB ($9.60)
BB ($22.25)
UTG ($8.75)
MP ($12.75)
CO ($20.50)
Preflop: Hero is Button with
, . UTG posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG (poster) checks, MP calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, SB completes, BB checks.
Flop: ($1.50)
, , (6 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.75, UTG folds, MP calls $0.75, CO folds, Hero raises to $2, SB folds, BB raises to $4, MP folds, Hero calls $2.
Turn: ($10.25)
(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1, BB raises to $4, Hero raises to $24.85, BB calls $14 (All-In).
River: ($53.10)
(2 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: $53.10
Results hidden below:
BB has Qc Ad (full house, aces full of queens).
Hero has 4c Ac (full house, aces full of fours).
Outcome: BB wins $46.25. Hero wins $6.85.
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by mewsiclovr » Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:16 am
I don't think I can fold this. You are beating a lot of hands. (I'm not a cash game player, however)
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by nlman » Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:20 am
MewsicLovr wrote:You are beating a lot of hands.
I don't think that saying "he can beat a lot of hands" can be used to describe his situation. AK can beat a lot of hands here, but his hand is beating EVERY hand BUT one.
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by neverthink » Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:24 am
If he was obliging, I'd have got it all in on the flop, concerned only over trip fours, which you are now beating on the turn anyway. I'm always going broke there.
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by mervhage » Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:30 am
MewsicLovr wrote:I don't think I can fold this. You are beating a lot of hands. (I'm not a cash game player, however)
Like NLman said, there's only one hand that is beating him (even QQ is toast at this point). Definition of a cooler hand.
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by neverthink » Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:36 am
NLman wrote:MewsicLovr wrote:You are beating a lot of hands.
I don't think that saying "he can beat a lot of hands" can be used to describe his situation. AK can beat a lot of hands here, but his hand is beating EVERY hand BUT one.
Things are very messy when the top two nuts collide.
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by sfustsh » Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:37 am
What the fuck?
You beat every fucking hand here except AQ.
You DO beat QQs
No one can have quads, only AQ has a higher FH. Why the fuck is this even an issue?
You can't be afraid of the CASE ace and a Q.
Oh my god I go broke here every day of my entire life, there could never be enough read evidence to make me fold this hand, ever.
Tough break but such is the way it goes.
You beat every fucking hand here except AQ.
You DO beat QQs
No one can have quads, only AQ has a higher FH. Why the fuck is this even an issue?
You can't be afraid of the CASE ace and a Q.
Oh my god I go broke here every day of my entire life, there could never be enough read evidence to make me fold this hand, ever.
Tough break but such is the way it goes.
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by nlman » Thu Oct 05, 2006 1:46 pm
It all depends on the people you are playing with, your previous play and their ability to pick up on it.
Edit: I guess I should elaborate just a little (don't take those as guidelines - every table and every hand is different, so always use your own judjement and experience)
If you bet 1/2 the pot every time you see the flop, people will usually reraise you if they have something relatively playable (unless they are very tight or have nothing themselves). In that case you should definitely bet 1/2 the pot just like the other times.
If you rarely bet and you only bet when you have something good, people will usually just fold. In that case you may consider slowplaying it.
If your usual bet is other than 1/2, some people will notice a difference in the pattern. If you aren't known to bluff, they'll fold. Otherwise, they may interpret it as a bluff and reraise you, but they'll usually fold if your future play will be any different than the times you've tried to bluff.
Some morons will never notice anything (and that includes the ultra tight ABC players who think that they are good). If they always play by the book or have very strong patterns, then try to remember those patterns to make them give you the most money.
If they really like bluffing every hand, then by all means - let them do so. Use your knowledge of their patterns to trigger their bluff and try to get them to keep bluffing all the way.
Edit: I guess I should elaborate just a little (don't take those as guidelines - every table and every hand is different, so always use your own judjement and experience)
If you bet 1/2 the pot every time you see the flop, people will usually reraise you if they have something relatively playable (unless they are very tight or have nothing themselves). In that case you should definitely bet 1/2 the pot just like the other times.
If you rarely bet and you only bet when you have something good, people will usually just fold. In that case you may consider slowplaying it.
If your usual bet is other than 1/2, some people will notice a difference in the pattern. If you aren't known to bluff, they'll fold. Otherwise, they may interpret it as a bluff and reraise you, but they'll usually fold if your future play will be any different than the times you've tried to bluff.
Some morons will never notice anything (and that includes the ultra tight ABC players who think that they are good). If they always play by the book or have very strong patterns, then try to remember those patterns to make them give you the most money.
If they really like bluffing every hand, then by all means - let them do so. Use your knowledge of their patterns to trigger their bluff and try to get them to keep bluffing all the way.
Last edited by nlman on Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:41 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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by snickers99 » Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:01 pm
NLman wrote:mervhage wrote:No, I am not folding this hand ever.
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by easy_as_pie » Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:23 pm
you realize he never has QQ here
i also wont fold this. maybe with really deep stacks....actually no, won't fold it either with those. especially at 25NL
i also wont fold this. maybe with really deep stacks....actually no, won't fold it either with those. especially at 25NL
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