Scotty donks it up with sub-premium hands

[scotty1139]

Q: Scotty, do you play anything other than JJ-AA? Every hand I've seen you post you have premium cards.

A: Nope. I'm a weak-tight rock. You should steal my blinds. Often. I spend my days patiently waiting for AA and KK. In fact, as recommended by my idol, Phil Hellmuth, I only play the top 10 hands...

Except for this:

***** Hand History for Game 3837643812 *****
$50 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, March 28, 03:04:23 ET 2006
Table March GiveAway #1211118 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 2: XBniner ( $17.83 )
Seat 6: MCKEEVEJ ( $67.69 )
Seat 4: fishinghooks ( $58.03 )
Seat 3: teebrassie2 ( $34.46 )
Seat 1: QuadsPLZ ( $47.68 )
XBniner posts small blind [$0.25].
teebrassie2 posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fishinghooks [ Jh Th ]
fishinghooks calls [$0.50].
MCKEEVEJ calls [$0.50].
QuadsPLZ calls [$0.50].
XBniner calls [$0.25].
>You have options at March GiveAway #1211267 Table!.
teebrassie2 raises [$2.50].
>You have options at March GiveAway #1212315 Table!.
fishinghooks calls [$2.50].
MCKEEVEJ calls [$2.50].
>You have options at March GiveAway #1212315 Table!.
QuadsPLZ calls [$2.50].
XBniner folds.
>You have options at March GiveAway #1212315 Table!.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8h, Ks, 7h ]
fishinghooks: alright family pot
teebrassie2 checks.
fishinghooks checks.
MCKEEVEJ checks.
>You have options at March GiveAway #1211267 Table!.
QuadsPLZ checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qc ]
MCKEEVEJ: lol
teebrassie2 bets [$5].
fishinghooks calls [$5].
MCKEEVEJ folds.
>You have options at March GiveAway #1211267 Table!.
>You have options at March GiveAway #1212315 Table!.
MCKEEVEJ: no 10
QuadsPLZ folds.
** Dealing River ** [ 4s ]
teebrassie2 checks.
fishinghooks bets [$16.50].
teebrassie2 calls [$16.50].
fishinghooks shows [ Jh, Th ] high card king.
teebrassie2 shows [ Kh, Ah ] a pair of kings.
teebrassie2 wins $53.50 from the main pot with a pair of kings.

And this:

Table March GiveAway #1209397 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: GCSafety22 ( $68.74 )
Seat 2: loanranger24 ( $10.10 )
Seat 3: doxlox ( $61.56 )
Seat 4: deathends ( $104.69 )
Seat 6: fishinghooks ( $69.15 )
Seat 5: tensruleall ( $24.50 )
deathends posts small blind [$0.25].
tensruleall posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fishinghooks [ 7s As ]
fishinghooks calls [$0.50].
fishinghooks: bummer man
GCSafety22 folds.
>You have options at March GiveAway #1211175 Table!.
loanranger24 folds.
doxlox calls [$0.50].
deathends calls [$0.25].
tensruleall checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8s, 6s, Jh ]
deathends checks.
loanranger24: I knew i should have folded
tensruleall bets [$2].
fishinghooks calls [$2].
doxlox raises [$9].
deathends folds.
>You have options at March GiveAway #1209390 (No DP) Table!.
loanranger24: my own faulst
tensruleall folds.
fishinghooks: i know.. it's hard
fishinghooks calls [$7].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qs ]
fishinghooks checks.
doxlox checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 4s ]
fishinghooks bets [$10].
doxlox calls [$10].
fishinghooks shows [ 7s, As ] a flush, ace high.
doxlox doesn't show [ Js, 6d ] a flush, queen high.
fishinghooks wins $39.90 from the main pot with a flush, ace high with ace kicker.

Oh wait, can't forget this one:

***** Hand History for Game 3811835843 *****
$50 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, March 24, 16:00:56 ET 2006
Table March GiveAway #1209397 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 2: sebb83 ( $33.65 )
Seat 3: cspcsp ( $41.10 )
Seat 4: deathends ( $46.46 )
Seat 6: PIRSQ ( $32.78 )
Seat 5: fishinghooks ( $51.35 )
deathends posts small blind [$0.25].
fishinghooks posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fishinghooks [ 5d 8d ]
>You have options at March GiveAway #1210859 (No DP) Table!.
PIRSQ folds.
sebb83 calls [$0.50].
>You have options at March GiveAway #1210701 (No DP) Table!.
cspcsp calls [$0.50].
deathends folds.
>You have options at March GiveAway #1210859 (No DP) Table!.
fishinghooks checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6d, As, 7d ]
>You have options at March GiveAway #1210701 (No DP) Table!.
fishinghooks bets [$1].
>You have options at March GiveAway #1210859 (No DP) Table!.
sebb83 raises [$2].
cspcsp folds.
fishinghooks raises [$4].
sebb83 calls [$3].
>You have options at March GiveAway #1210701 (No DP) Table!.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5s ]
fishinghooks bets [$6].
sebb83 calls [$6].
** Dealing River ** [ 2c ]
fishinghooks checks.
sebb83 checks.
fishinghooks shows [ 5d, 8d ] a pair of fives.
sebb83 shows [ Ad, 8c ] a pair of aces.
sebb83 wins $22.60 from the main pot with a pair of aces.

Or this shameful hand (though it was versus a maniac):

***** Hand History for Game 3811955846 *****
$50 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, March 24, 16:21:35 ET 2006
Table March GiveAway #1210859 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 4: Newsec1 ( $46.79 )
Seat 6: boudin111 ( $98.88 )
Seat 2: fishinghooks ( $50 )
Seat 1: thompy53 ( $73.23 )
Seat 3: blacknmild84 ( $58.80 )
thompy53 posts small blind [$0.25].
fishinghooks posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fishinghooks [ Ac Td ]
blacknmild84 folds.
>You have options at March GiveAway #1209397 (No DP) Table!.
Newsec1 folds.
boudin111 raises [$1.75].
thompy53 folds.
fishinghooks calls [$1.25].
>You have options at March GiveAway #1209397 (No DP) Table!.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kc, Ah, 8s ]
fishinghooks checks.
boudin111 bets [$3.60].
fishinghooks calls [$3.60].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2s ]
fishinghooks checks.
boudin111 bets [$10.45].
fishinghooks is all-In.
boudin111 calls [$34.20].
** Dealing River ** [ Js ]
boudin111 shows [ Jc, Ad ] two pairs, aces and jacks.
fishinghooks doesn't show [ Ac, Td ] a pair of aces.
boudin111 wins $98.25 from the main pot with two pairs, aces and jacks.

Or maybe one of these babies:

***** Hand History for Game 3740415394 *****
$50 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, March 14, 12:58:55 ET 2006
Table Duck Sloop (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: defabio ( $53.25 )
Seat 2: XUGarsha ( $13.46 )
Seat 3: Hotbeef1011 ( $58.07 )
Seat 5: luckysimon ( $14.23 )
Seat 6: andy_222 ( $46.65 )
Seat 4: fishinghooks ( $49 )
XUGarsha posts small blind [$0.25].
Hotbeef1011 posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fishinghooks [ 2h Ah ]
fishinghooks calls [$0.50].
luckysimon calls [$0.50].
andy_222 folds.
defabio folds.
XUGarsha calls [$0.25].
Hotbeef1011 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9s, Kh, 6h ]
XUGarsha checks.
Hotbeef1011 bets [$0.50].
fishinghooks calls [$0.50].
luckysimon raises [$3].
XUGarsha is all-In.
>You have options at Drum Beats Table!.
Hotbeef1011 folds.
fishinghooks calls [$12.46].
luckysimon is all-In.
fishinghooks calls [$0.77].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8s ]
** Dealing River ** [ 7h ]
luckysimon shows [ Kc, Qs ] a pair of kings.
XUGarsha shows [ Ks, 6d ] two pairs, kings and sixes.
fishinghooks shows [ 2h, Ah ] a flush, ace high.
fishinghooks wins $1.49 from side pot #1 with a flush, ace high.
fishinghooks wins $39.33 from the main pot with a flush, ace high.



Perhaps I should just throw out that Hellmuth chart

[goofyballer]

Oh my god, this thread made me want to puke.

[ugignadl]

*stares blankly*

What the hell were you doing in the first hand!?! Can anyone please explain...

*adds fishinghooks to donk list *

[mervhage]

Oh my god, this thread made me want to puke.

Really, it seems pretty standard to me. In other words, I don't see how I might play any hand differently.

[cavman]

Oh my god, this thread made me want to puke.

Really, it seems pretty standard to me. In other words, I don't see how I might play any hand differently.

might be able to find a fold or two in there, if you look real close

[scotty1139]

I just rattled these off quickly. I didn't bother to give any info on my opponents and their #'s. Without that kind of info, some of the plays I make will seem like sheer idiocy/insanity. Sometimes they look like that even when I do give the info....

You're free to add me to your buddy list.

[goofyballer]

OK, this is more for merv's sake, since scotty has information that we don't have when looking at these hands and thus what I say might be off for him. However, given that me and merv are looking at the same hands, this is what I see as non-standard:

Hand 1 (JTs): Flopping a gutshot to the nuts plus a flush draw = OMG BET THIS. The preflop raiser already checked to you, buy yourself a free card if you can, or maybe even take it down there.

Hand 3 (85s): Punish that min-raise on the flop; a PSR would be to about $7-8 there, not $5. $5 ($3 more for him to call) is basically saying "please call me" and complicates play on future streets since you're OOP and still drawing; give him a chance to fold, but if he's gonna stick around, make him pay.

Hand 4 (ATo): OH MY GOD SPEWAGE. This is just terrible absent reads.

[scotty1139]

OK, this is more for merv's sake, since scotty has information that we don't have when looking at these hands and thus what I say might be off for him. However, given that me and merv are looking at the same hands, this is what I see as non-standard:

Hand 1 (JTs): Flopping a gutshot to the nuts plus a flush draw = OMG BET THIS. The preflop raiser already checked to you, buy yourself a free card if you can, or maybe even take it down there.

Hand 3 (85s): Punish that min-raise on the flop; a PSR would be to about $7-8 there, not $5. $5 ($3 more for him to call) is basically saying "please call me" and complicates play on future streets since you're OOP and still drawing; give him a chance to fold, but if he's gonna stick around, make him pay.

Hand 4 (ATo): OH MY GOD SPEWAGE. This is just terrible absent reads.

For hands 1 & 3, you're absolutely right on. I highly regret not betting the first, and yes, my raise in #3 was too little. Also in hand #1, I don't regret betting the river, but I do think I could've bet more like $11-12 to accomplish the same bluff. The raiser was tight, but showed a nice ability to lay down several hands on the river (was in my notes)

For hand #4, the villain had these stats over 58 hands:
VPiP 92%
PFR 40%
WSD 48%
W$SD 21%

My notes on him basically say what we already know: huge maniac, doesn't fold, but my notes say that top pair is good, that he not only bets and trains ace high to the river, he pays it off too! He was Mr. Johnny overplay with second pair in several instances, and ended up rivering 2 pair on a few, otherwise his W$SD would've been even lower. I obviously felt that my read was correct, otherwise I wouldn't have put my whole stack in there. Turns out I was terribly wrong.

[faquewdikhed]

Oh my god, this thread made me want to puke.

I'd like to post some hands here, but I dont want goofyballer to puke on his nice samsung.

[goofyballer]

I figured you'd have a good reason for #4, but I was worried that merv didn't look at that and have red flags go up everywhere without knowing what that reason is.

Faq, post something, I'll be happy to tear it to shreds.

[faquewdikhed]

PokerStars Game #4468891181: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/03/30 - 21:39:51 (ET)
Table 'Emma II' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: suxOrzz ($49.35 in chips)
Seat 2: The Amoeba ($51.80 in chips)
Seat 3: RABIZGAGO ($20.85 in chips)
Seat 4: dkeeton ($69 in chips)
Seat 6: thejusman1 ($56.45 in chips)
RABIZGAGO: posts small blind $0.25
dkeeton: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to The Amoeba [4c 7c]
thejusman1: folds
suxOrzz: folds
The Amoeba: raises $1.50 to $2
RABIZGAGO: folds
dkeeton: calls $1.50
*** FLOP *** [Ts 9d Qd]
dkeeton: checks
The Amoeba: bets $3
dkeeton: calls $3
*** TURN *** [Ts 9d Qd] [2d]
Ace'nhole72 joins the table at seat #5
dkeeton: checks
The Amoeba: checks
*** RIVER *** [Ts 9d Qd 2d] [6s]
dkeeton: checks
The Amoeba: bets $5
dkeeton: folds
The Amoeba collected $9.75 from pot
The Amoeba: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $10.25 | Rake $0.50
Board [Ts 9d Qd 2d 6s]
Seat 1: suxOrzz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: The Amoeba (button) collected ($9.75)
Seat 3: RABIZGAGO (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: dkeeton (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 6: thejusman1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[faquewdikhed]

Even better

PokerStars Game #4469101636: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/03/30 - 21:55:54 (ET)
Table 'Asporina' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: DrumGod24 ($33.75 in chips)
Seat 2: The Amoeba ($50.50 in chips)
Seat 3: slamajamma ($19.55 in chips)
Seat 4: mangleface1 ($48.70 in chips)
Seat 5: CT Money 1 ($45.05 in chips)
Seat 6: rchdot ($50.95 in chips)
CT Money 1: posts small blind $0.25
rchdot: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to The Amoeba [As 7s]
DrumGod24: folds
The Amoeba: raises $1.50 to $2
slamajamma: folds
mangleface1: folds
CT Money 1: folds
rchdot: calls $1.50
*** FLOP *** [2h Td 9c]
rchdot: checks
The Amoeba: bets $3
rchdot: raises $3 to $6
The Amoeba: raises $8 to $14
rchdot: calls $8
*** TURN *** [2h Td 9c] [3s]
rchdot: checks
The Amoeba: checks
*** RIVER *** [2h Td 9c 3s] [Jd]
rchdot: bets $2.50
The Amoeba: raises $9.50 to $12
rchdot: folds
The Amoeba collected $35.50 from pot
The Amoeba: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $37.25 | Rake $1.75
Board [2h Td 9c 3s Jd]
Seat 1: DrumGod24 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: The Amoeba collected ($35.50)
Seat 3: slamajamma folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: mangleface1 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: CT Money 1 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: rchdot (big blind) folded on the River

[faquewdikhed]

PokerStars Game #4469248100: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/03/30 - 22:06:49 (ET)
Table 'Comacina IV' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: LANOUE ($55.35 in chips)
Seat 2: I_TakeStacks ($43 in chips)
Seat 4: The Amoeba ($52.65 in chips)
Seat 5: andressmag ($23.75 in chips)
Seat 6: Schwarzkopf ($64.65 in chips)
LANOUE: posts small blind $0.25
I_TakeStacks: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to The Amoeba [Js Kh]
The Amoeba: raises $1.50 to $2
andressmag: folds
Schwarzkopf: calls $2
LANOUE: folds
I_TakeStacks: calls $1.50
*** FLOP *** [2d 7d Kd]
I_TakeStacks: checks
The Amoeba: checks
Schwarzkopf: checks
*** TURN *** [2d 7d Kd] [Ad]
I_TakeStacks: checks
The Amoeba: checks
Schwarzkopf: bets $1
I_TakeStacks: folds
The Amoeba: raises $3 to $4
Schwarzkopf: folds
The Amoeba collected $7.90 from pot
The Amoeba: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $8.25 | Rake $0.35
Board [2d 7d Kd Ad]
Seat 1: LANOUE (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: I_TakeStacks (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 4: The Amoeba collected ($7.90)
Seat 5: andressmag folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Schwarzkopf (button) folded on the Turn

[fatlane]

faque,

I like your style dude. I tried this once, not sure if my nerves can handle trying it again. Perhaps if the conditions were right...


***** Hand History for Game 3809295220 *****
$25 NL Texas Holdem - Friday, March 24, 02:54:34 ET 2006
Table March GiveAway #1209391 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: THEdeepDISH ( $18.39 )
Seat 3: Gozer825 ( $5.45 )
Seat 4: lilleper ( $22.20 )
Seat 5: chefwilliams ( $26.40 )
Seat 6: iQ106 ( $53.29 )
Seat 8: poiu1lkj ( $43.47 )
Seat 9: nawaspoker ( $24.60 )
Seat 2: FatLane ( $24 )
Seat 10: ddhwx ( $4.65 )
Seat 7: captnkev ( $25 )
chefwilliams posts small blind [$0.10].
iQ106 posts big blind [$0.25].
captnkev posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to FatLane [ 2c 4c ]
captnkev checks.
poiu1lkj folds.
nawaspoker folds.
ddhwx folds.
THEdeepDISH raises [$0.75].
FatLane calls [$0.75].
Gozer825 folds.
lilleper folds.
chefwilliams folds.
iQ106 folds.
captnkev folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6s, Qd, Qs ]
THEdeepDISH bets [$1].
FatLane raises [$2].
THEdeepDISH raises [$3].
FatLane calls [$2].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ad ]
THEdeepDISH checks.
FatLane checks.
** Dealing River ** [ Th ]
THEdeepDISH bets [$3].
FatLane raises [$8].
THEdeepDISH folds.
FatLane does not show cards.
FatLane wins $20.30

[goofyballer]

Faq, you're beyond hope. Although I think you had the best hand in #3.