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River value bet?
by poormanbilly » Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:56 pm
Or check? The turn bet was a little on the small side on purpose. I wanted to keep him in and see where I stood.
Hero ($76.50)
SB ($53.10)
BB ($22.45)
UTG ($87.15)
MP ($10.75)
CO ($29.85)
Preflop: Hero is Button with
,
.
2 folds, CO calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, 1 fold, BB calls $1.75, CO calls $1.75.
Flop: ($7)
,
,
(3 players)
BB checks, CO bets $0.5, Hero raises to $4, BB folds, CO calls $3.50.
Turn: ($15)
(2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $6, CO calls $6.
River: ($27)
(2 players)
CO checks, Hero ???.
Hero ($76.50)
SB ($53.10)
BB ($22.45)
UTG ($87.15)
MP ($10.75)
CO ($29.85)
Preflop: Hero is Button with
,
.
2 folds, CO calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, 1 fold, BB calls $1.75, CO calls $1.75.
Flop: ($7)
,
,
(3 players)
BB checks, CO bets $0.5, Hero raises to $4, BB folds, CO calls $3.50.
Turn: ($15)
(2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $6, CO calls $6.
River: ($27)
(2 players)
CO checks, Hero ???.
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by bigdil511 » Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:05 pm
If you think he will call you again on the river with any pair than its good to bet. If you think he only calls with a bigger hand 2 pair/straight something like that than just check it down, although it looks like he has tens and will probably call a smallish river bet. Also if he has tens its probably the worst possible way to play them ever, if he is a good player and was trapping you he would probably bet the river instead of checking, so it still looks like you are ahead. Although I have played some high NL games where someone will call off $100 bucks with bottom pair.
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by goofyballer » Sat Jun 17, 2006 4:02 pm
Raise the flop to at least $6. The turn bet is way too small; if he's drawing, you're giving him pretty good odds to hit if he collects even a tiny bet from you on the river. I don't feel like there's a need to "see where you're at"; in fact, I think it's more likely he check-raises you off the best hand when you make a weak-looking bet of $6 or so than a stronger bet.
As played, I value bet the river, he'll certainly call with AT or whatever or something like J9 that picked up a pair.
As played, I value bet the river, he'll certainly call with AT or whatever or something like J9 that picked up a pair.
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by easy_as_pie » Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:23 pm
goofyballer wrote:Raise the flop to at least $6. The turn bet is way too small; if he's drawing, you're giving him pretty good odds to hit if he collects even a tiny bet from you on the river. I don't feel like there's a need to "see where you're at"; in fact, I think it's more likely he check-raises you off the best hand when you make a weak-looking bet of $6 or so than a stronger bet.
As played, I value bet the river, he'll certainly call with AT or whatever or something like J9 that picked up a pair.
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by poormanbilly » Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:32 pm
Do you guys seriously think a weak T is calling a bigger turn bet?
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by goofyballer » Sun Jun 18, 2006 12:43 am
Do you know he has a weak T? If you can put him on exactly that hand, then awesome, string him along for whatever amount you'll think he'll call. If you can't put him on exactly that, then you need to bet bigger since you won't necessarily know when he has some kind of draw and outdraws you on the river, causing you to pay him off more than you would have if you could tell his specific hand on the turn. To compensate for this lack of knowledge, you have to bet bigger to cut down on the implied odds he's getting.
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by poormanbilly » Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:15 pm
goofyballer wrote:Do you know he has a weak T? If you can put him on exactly that hand, then awesome, string him along for whatever amount you'll think he'll call. If you can't put him on exactly that, then you need to bet bigger since you won't necessarily know when he has some kind of draw and outdraws you on the river, causing you to pay him off more than you would have if you could tell his specific hand on the turn. To compensate for this lack of knowledge, you have to bet bigger to cut down on the implied odds he's getting.
Implied odds... bleah. That's like talking about gravity. We can't even define it, much less understand it. I'm more willing to build a (semi)big pot and try and win that versus strong-arming a small pot and taking it down.
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