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Good fold or weak-tight?
by bobcorn » Thu Nov 24, 2005 4:42 pm
PokerStars Game #3146349368: Tournament #15564964, Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2005/11/24 - 15:09:27 (ET)
Table '15564964 1' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: xxJimmyMacxx (3075 in chips)
Seat 3: mochajocha (2745 in chips)
Seat 5: bobcorn (2225 in chips)
Seat 6: luckorskill (1900 in chips)
Seat 8: BankBuckGame (2515 in chips)
Seat 9: Mr McCoy (1040 in chips)
bobcorn: posts small blind 100
luckorskill: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bobcorn [9h 9d]
BankBuckGame: folds
Mr McCoy: raises 200 to 400
xxJimmyMacxx: folds
mochajocha: folds
bobcorn: folds
The only two times i have seen Mr McCoy min-raise, he had QQ. He's generally been pretty tight preflop and I dont think i have much to any fold equity. Is this a good laydown or too weak?
Results:
luckorskill: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [6s Js 3h]
luckorskill: bets 600
Mr McCoy: raises 40 to 640 and is all-in
luckorskill: calls 40
*** TURN *** [6s Js 3h] [6c]
*** RIVER *** [6s Js 3h 6c] [Qd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
luckorskill: shows [7h 7c] (two pair, Sevens and Sixes)
Mr McCoy: shows [As Jd] (two pair, Jacks and Sixes)
Mr McCoy collected 2180 from pot
Table '15564964 1' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: xxJimmyMacxx (3075 in chips)
Seat 3: mochajocha (2745 in chips)
Seat 5: bobcorn (2225 in chips)
Seat 6: luckorskill (1900 in chips)
Seat 8: BankBuckGame (2515 in chips)
Seat 9: Mr McCoy (1040 in chips)
bobcorn: posts small blind 100
luckorskill: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bobcorn [9h 9d]
BankBuckGame: folds
Mr McCoy: raises 200 to 400
xxJimmyMacxx: folds
mochajocha: folds
bobcorn: folds
The only two times i have seen Mr McCoy min-raise, he had QQ. He's generally been pretty tight preflop and I dont think i have much to any fold equity. Is this a good laydown or too weak?
Results:
luckorskill: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [6s Js 3h]
luckorskill: bets 600
Mr McCoy: raises 40 to 640 and is all-in
luckorskill: calls 40
*** TURN *** [6s Js 3h] [6c]
*** RIVER *** [6s Js 3h 6c] [Qd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
luckorskill: shows [7h 7c] (two pair, Sevens and Sixes)
Mr McCoy: shows [As Jd] (two pair, Jacks and Sixes)
Mr McCoy collected 2180 from pot
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by bob » Thu Nov 24, 2005 7:14 pm
You always have to beware the min raise from strong players. From your description, it sounds like McCoy is strong. If you call, he either has 2 overcards, or larger pair (as you have noted from previous notes). So, you are 50/50 at best with 2 overcards.
If I were playing, I would have folded. . .
Which confirmed by the result of the hand. . .
-Bob
If I were playing, I would have folded. . .
Which confirmed by the result of the hand. . .
-Bob
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by mattaca » Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:02 pm
yeah, I don't mind the fold vs. a tight preflop player.
That being said, with your stack and position, pushing might also be a viable option.
Now his raise with AJo is pretty bad in my opinion. He's pretty much pot comitted as he'd have to call his other 600 in the face of a re-raise. Why not just push and pick up the blinds.
That being said, with your stack and position, pushing might also be a viable option.
Now his raise with AJo is pretty bad in my opinion. He's pretty much pot comitted as he'd have to call his other 600 in the face of a re-raise. Why not just push and pick up the blinds.
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by hultin » Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:08 pm
I would say that this was a good fold, 99 is hard to play from an early posistion unless the flop works out right, and chances are that an over card or two will hit the flop. Anyone that raises you have to believe is holding 2 over cards to your pocket pair and this is when you do not want to get involved.
As you can see your friend the BIG BLIND showed this exact scenario. He got invovled with 2 over cards and he lost alot of chips when the guy hit his pair. I say unless your the aggressor and your in posistion middle pocket pairs are probably no good and are easy to fold with a raise infront of you. GOOD FOLD!
As you can see your friend the BIG BLIND showed this exact scenario. He got invovled with 2 over cards and he lost alot of chips when the guy hit his pair. I say unless your the aggressor and your in posistion middle pocket pairs are probably no good and are easy to fold with a raise infront of you. GOOD FOLD!
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by easy_as_pie » Sat Nov 26, 2005 11:18 pm
intersting situation
besides your read the thing that alarms me the most is that he is the short stack and min raised instead of going all in. (just folded AJ in pokerroom 50k and flop was jjx..crap).
anyways, that usually begs for a call and hence signals a strong hand. he is pretty much pot committed with his raise and people usually do that with aa kk qq unless he is tricky and he knows that we know that so he is doing it with medium hands. anyways, lets assume that he is normal and he has a monster.
however, its still a call. think of it in terms of what would happen if you call and win vs what would happen if you call and loose and if you. S0ooo000oo, if you fold, you got 2100 or whatever left. you call you have 1900 left which is not THAT MUCH different than 2100 at this point in the tourney. Now, if you call and flop set or overpair and win you are in awesome shape to dominate
. if you flop AKQ...well tough luck and you can fold easily. pretty simple. if only one overcard comes you might consider a stop and go...there is not much more you have to invest and chances are you are good, but that is another thin and is questionable.
a call is good and you can take it from there.
besides your read the thing that alarms me the most is that he is the short stack and min raised instead of going all in. (just folded AJ in pokerroom 50k and flop was jjx..crap).
anyways, that usually begs for a call and hence signals a strong hand. he is pretty much pot committed with his raise and people usually do that with aa kk qq unless he is tricky and he knows that we know that so he is doing it with medium hands. anyways, lets assume that he is normal and he has a monster.
however, its still a call. think of it in terms of what would happen if you call and win vs what would happen if you call and loose and if you. S0ooo000oo, if you fold, you got 2100 or whatever left. you call you have 1900 left which is not THAT MUCH different than 2100 at this point in the tourney. Now, if you call and flop set or overpair and win you are in awesome shape to dominate
a call is good and you can take it from there.
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