JJ vs 3x raise at 25/50

[darinvg]

I think this is alright but I've barely been breaking even lately and need some comments.
I figured I had a good hand and plenty of fold equity.

PartyPoker - NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Tournament | Level: 3 - 9 players

Chip Counts:
Hero: 835 Chips
SB: 780 Chips
BB: 185 Chips
UTG: 1560 Chips
UTG+1: 650 Chips
MP1: 745 Chips
MP2: 1455 Chips
MP3: 1255 Chips
CO: 535 Chips

Hero is Button with Js Jh
Blinds are 25/50

PreFlop
UTG RAISES ($150), UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Hero is All-In
SB folds, BB folds

UTG Calls

(2 players) FLOP: 7h Th 6s ( Pot Size: 1745 Chips )


(2 players) TURN: 3s ( Pot Size: 1745 Chips )


(2 players) RIVER: 3h ( Pot Size: 1745 Chips )


Final Pot:1745 Chips

Results:
UTG shows:QcQs,two pairs, queens and threes
Button shows:JsJh,two pairs, jacks and threes

[mattaca]

A couple of questions :

1. What do you think he would be raising UTG with? My guess is that you are at best a coin flip here with a possibiity of being way behind with a smaller possibility of being way ahead.

2. What do you think he would raise with UTG and fold to your all-in considering he has almost double your stack? In this situation I doubt there are many hands he's folding here so I don't think you are getting as much fold equity as you think.

I'm not saying your play was wrong but just asking questions that may help you analyze your play.

[faquewdikhed]

A couple of questions :

1. What do you think he would be raising UTG with? My guess is that you are at best a coin flip here with a possibiity of being way behind with a smaller possibility of being way ahead.

2. What do you think he would raise with UTG and fold to your all-in considering he has almost double your stack? In this situation I doubt there are many hands he's folding here so I don't think you are getting as much fold equity as you think.

I'm not saying your play was wrong but just asking questions that may help you analyze your play.

what he said

[darinvg]

This is very true. I should have given the UTG raise more respect. However,since I don't have any info on him yet, his range could be ~88+, AT+.
If I'm in his shoes I'm only calling the reraise w/ JJ+ or AK so there are still quite a few hands I can get him to fold or have dominated/coin flip. Obviously I don't want to see AA-QQ but that still leaves me in great shape vs 88-TT and AJ-AT and coin flip w/ AK-AQ.
So, what do others do in this spot? I hate flat calling and a raise commits me. Do I let it go? Seems a little weak tight.

[jacedk]

Heids gave me some good advice on JJ as part of tutoring:

If you are ever struggling on the best way to play JJ, play it the same way you'd play 99.

Would you push 99 here?

[bobcorn]

If his range is 88+,AT+ it's a push. IF he's really tight and his range is TT+,AQs+ I could find a fold.

[jp]

However,since I don't have any info on him yet, his range could be ~88+, AT+.

You might not have any info, but since this is the 3rd level of a Party tourney, you should at least know how many hands he has played to give you a loose/tight image. Based on that, I think you can then find what level of respect to give his UTG raise. From there I think you can then limit/broaden his range.

[darinvg]

The 99 comment is an interesting way to think about it; no I wouldn't push 99, that's an easy fold.
As always, it seems to be read dependent.
I have no idea how many hands he's been playing since I'm 4 tabling. Is there a way to check their stats on party?

[hiho]

The raise UTG scares me but I probibly would have done the same thing. No one is going to fold there, right? I guess I could have just called but a raise really would depend on how many hands he raised preflop previously. Sure its early but he did double up his stack so if he never raised before preflop then there is no way I could push.

[jp]

I have no idea how many hands he's been playing since I'm 4 tabling. Is there a way to check their stats on party?

There is always PT and GameTime+/Poker Ace HUD. It will at least give you a VP$IP stat.

[mervhage]

I hate flatcalling. Given a flop of all undercards, you're most likely to go broke anyway against a bigger PP. The ONLY benefit is that an Ace or a King shows up and both of you slow down, you might not lose as much.

The primary concern needs to be the UTG player. As you stated, you have no reads (which is why I can't multi-table sngs) and this is a HUGE problem. Will he do this with KJ, KQ, AT, AJ, etc? How about 88-TT? You certainly wouldn't want to fold this hand in that case. This makes the question much more difficult and I guess if you're 4-tabling, then pushing is fine, but if you lose, you'll have to make it up on another table!

By the way, you said you're barely breaking even, are you consistently 4-tabling? You might need to back off and focus a little more.

[darinvg]

I always 4-table. I made a nice bankroll on the 11s before moving to the 22s. I did well for a short while before hitting the 33s. (ROI ~22% after 200 games).
I feel like I'm playing pretty well. I'm hoping my low ROI (~5% after 350 games) is just a matter of varience. I'll keep grinding and see. According to the good 2+2ers, 500 games isn't enough to determine if you are a winning player.
There are plenty of retarded plays at the 33s so I don't think the caliber of player is that much better.

[bobcorn]

I have found PA HUD to be extremely valuable and if you are multitabling it is a must have. It's more helpful to figure out who the rocks are because you always notice the LAGs but the good players fall under the radar. In some of your posts you seem to not have any reads. I know it's difficult when you are 4-tabling but you should still know what type of player you are facing.

[nurelic]

Heids gave me some good advice on JJ as part of tutoring:

If you are ever struggling on the best way to play JJ, play it the same way you'd play 99.

Would you push 99 here?

I like that one and I'm gonna use it! This pretty much cover it for me.

NuRelic

[darinvg]

Yeah, my reads are slim.
PA HUD you say.
Is this free? Any other info about it?

Thanks