100NL: Weird spot with JJ

[mirage]

UTG raiser is donkfish, something like 60/30/3 or some crap. Here, he open raises to 10 BB (wtf?!), I highly doubt he would play a legit monster this way because most maniacs try to trap with those hands. So he doesn't really worry me. However, CO seems solid (only a few hands in) so his cold call greatly concerns me.

This is either push or fold and because they aren't that deep I'm leaning toward push... what do you guys think?


Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $31.35
BB: $23.65
UTG: $55.35
CO: $51.95
Hero (BTN): $114.55

Preflop: Hero is dealt J J (5 Players)
UTG raises to $10, CO calls $10,

[sfustsh]

Push your edge, if CO has you beat he's probably reraising preflop if he is indeed solid. You have to assume you're way ahead of UTG.

Get it in!

Also, I agree that there isn't much other way to play this hand.

[neverthink]

I've actually mucked a hand like JJ in spots like these. The maniac imo doing this with 99 or TT. I think this is KK or AA, maybe AK prepping to call a shove. I fold, if you call, don't be surprised to see a really big hand sometimes, especially if this is the first time you've seen him raise to 10bbs preflop. CO concerns me as well, but I don't think he is big as often as UTG.

Edit: lol, when I saw all those shortstacks I thought you were doubled up from NL50. Um, in that case I a make a reraise to $40 and call their shoves. It could still be a big hand though, but for half a buyin and the dead in the pot I'll play it with him.

Find a better table as well.

[bram]

Find a better table as well.

Joking?

You can just call here, then on a flop that has only one over, call if UTG pushes and solid CO folds, fold if solid CO calls. Or hit a set!

Pushing isn't too bad an option, but I think there is more value and safety in playing it a bit more passively.

[neverthink]

Find a better table as well.

Joking?

No, whenever I am looking for tables they must have big stacks or I don't bother sitting down. Sitting at a NL table with 4 stacks ranging from 20 to 50 bbs is crap. Death to shortstacks, they fuck up so many good situations.

The only good shortstack is a winning shortstack, and even then they likely rathole.

Mirage, seriously, play on Party. Make the most of living in a free area of the world.

[mirage]

I live in the U.S.; Jacksonville, FL to be exact. I would love to play on Party, if it were only possible. What's going on with that bill Sen. Frank was going to introduce anyway

[mirage]

FWIW the table was actually pretty juicy, and while I hate shortstackers these guys mostly had 50 BBs or so which doesn't bother me.

I thought about this for about 10 seconds and decided that while CO could have a monster, I think he would have pushed to isolate if he did with so many left to act. So I figured in this situation a push was going to be +EV, even if I get coolered sometimes JJ is just too good to give up against this maniac.


Here's how it played out.

Preflop: Hero is dealt J J (5 Players)
UTG raises to $10, CO calls $10, Hero raises all-in to $114.55, 2 folds, UTG calls all-in for $45.35, CO folds
Uncalled bet of $59.20 returned to Hero

Flop: ($122.20) A 5 3 (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Turn: ($122.20) J (2 Players - 2 All-In)

River: ($122.20) Q (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $122.20 ($2 Rake)

UTG had A 9 (a pair of Aces)
Hero had J J (three of a kind, Jacks)


HERE'S THE KICKER ---- CO claims to have folded QQ! Who knew I had that kind of FE, no wonder the squeeze is such a powerful play.

[sfustsh]

Fuck, I was going to say: if CO is indeed solid, he can't call with less than kings. Nice hand, Mirage. Played out exactly as I thought it would with your reads.

[bram]

Find a better table as well.

Joking?

No, whenever I am looking for tables they must have big stacks or I don't bother sitting down. Sitting at a NL table with 4 stacks ranging from 20 to 50 bbs is crap. Death to shortstacks, they fuck up so many good situations.

The only good shortstack is a winning shortstack, and even then they likely rathole.

Mirage, seriously, play on Party. Make the most of living in a free area of the world.

Shortstack's are generally bad/scared players, just learn to adjust your style to play against them and get the money.

[mervhage]

Push your edge, if CO has you beat he's probably reraising preflop if he is indeed solid. You have to assume you're way ahead of UTG.

Get it in!

Also, I agree that there isn't much other way to play this hand.

I agree with this here, especially regarding the CO. My fucking dick he's solid and doesn't raise QQ here. Also, If I flat called QQ here (which I wouldn't), I'd call with my Queens after blind pushed and UTG calls, especially when I know UTG is a maniac. I'd expect the Blind to turn over AK, or of course, Jacks or less.

[nlman]

Shortstack's are generally bad/scared players, just learn to adjust your style to play against them and get the money.

I agree with that 100%. Tables full of 50BB shortstacks are among my favorites. Once you get accustomed to their style, they are among the easiest players to beat. You can push them around, you can stack them and you can make easy folds to avoid giving back their cash

Even 20BB shortstack tables are playable, but they are insanely boring since there are only a few things you can use against them in your game.

[LadyWrestler]

Push your edge, if CO has you beat he's probably reraising preflop if he is indeed solid. You have to assume you're way ahead of UTG.

Get it in!

I agree with sfustsh. Jacks are a powerful hand in this spot. They are ahead of everything but AA, KK, and QQ.