PLO mtt hand....

[clivehamilton]

Seat 1: sparcplug (20910 in chips)
Seat 2: personal (5130 in chips)
Seat 3: velos (7775 in chips)
Seat 4: olivier34 (17845 in chips)
Seat 5: FAB66 (8811 in chips)
Seat 6: Oswaldo (24410 in chips)
Seat 8: guykermit (3295 in chips)
Seat 9: tallgeir (1054 in chips)
Oswaldo: posts small blind 100
guykermit: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sparcplug [Ks Th Ad As]
tallgeir: calls 200
sparcplug: raises 600 to 800
personal: folds
velos: folds
olivier34: folds
FAB66: folds
Oswaldo: calls 700
guykermit: folds
tallgeir: calls 600
*** FLOP *** [Jc Qh Kh]
Oswaldo: checks
tallgeir: checks
sparcplug: bets 1200
Oswaldo: raises 5000 to 6200
sparcplug.......?

[biggle10]

Kind of a messy spot. I think I just call and try to keep the pot small if the opponent isn't brain dead. I thought about shoving at first but you could be getting freerolled. If this is a low buyin I shove because people get stupid with middle set and such.

[clivehamilton]

11 rebuy - about halfway through the second hour. we're both top 10 in chips


this is the type of hand that has been GREATLY holding back my game - i'm so stuck on the "get it in while you're good" hold 'em mentality that i often lose or fail to maximize value on pots like this.

[sfustsh]

If you just call all your chips are going in the middle by the turn anyway.

It seems unlikely that he has a straight already. For one thing, you've got two aces, and a ten.

It seems a definite that he has a flush draw here, but the checkraise is odd. He might just be bluffing since most PFRs include A2 or A3, and there's no lo.

I would shove. You have the nuts, it's unlikely he has the nuts too, and he couldn't have more than 10 outs, unless he had AhJhJxTx.

There's no way this isn't going to be a big pot unless you flat fold.

[biggle10]

If you just call all your chips are going in the middle by the turn anyway.

It seems unlikely that he has a straight already. For one thing, you've got two aces, and a ten.

It seems a definite that he has a flush draw here, but the checkraise is odd. He might just be bluffing since most PFRs include A2 or A3, and there's no lo.

I would shove. You have the nuts, it's unlikely he has the nuts too, and he couldn't have more than 10 outs, unless he had AhJhJxTx.

There's no way this isn't going to be a big pot unless you flat fold.

Except that its not omaha 8 or better. Its high only.

[sfustsh]

If you just call all your chips are going in the middle by the turn anyway.

It seems unlikely that he has a straight already. For one thing, you've got two aces, and a ten.

It seems a definite that he has a flush draw here, but the checkraise is odd. He might just be bluffing since most PFRs include A2 or A3, and there's no lo.

I would shove. You have the nuts, it's unlikely he has the nuts too, and he couldn't have more than 10 outs, unless he had AhJhJxTx.

There's no way this isn't going to be a big pot unless you flat fold.

Except that its not omaha 8 or better. Its high only.

That's okay, most of it still applies.

I still think you're ahead already and you should shove.

[terminal]

I agree with biggle a call should be OK. What kind of hand would check raise? A bluff? I don't think so. A set, flush draw, another made straight. Worst case is some combination of those hands. You hand is not going to improve except with runner runner. I think I want to see another card before I put all my chips in.

[mervhage]

I call and bet the pot on a safe turn card. The problem is, there are tons of cards that can show up and turn your nut hand into a disaster of a shit hand. Sad to say, flopped straights are nearly worthless in this game.

[clivehamilton]

sparcplug: raises 13910 to 20110 and is all-in
Oswaldo: calls 13910
*** TURN *** [Jc Qh Kh] [8h]
*** RIVER *** [Jc Qh Kh 8h] [7s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Oswaldo: shows [Kc 3h Kd Ah] (a flush, Ace high)
sparcplug: shows [Ks Th Ad As] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
Oswaldo collected 42820 from pot

GG clive.....


I guess Merv's point is what i need to pay the closest attention to and stop falling in love with flopped "nuts."

[terminal]

I guess Merv's point is what i need to pay the closest attention to and stop falling in love with flopped "nuts."

That is a lesson that is learned the hard way by most Omaha players