Where to fold this?

[mewsiclovr]

MP1 is Mirage who has been somewhat laggy. Most everyone else is tight. I guess I should just fold preflop?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 raises, 4 folds, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (8 SB) , , (4 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds.

Turn: (5.50 BB) (3 players)
SB bets, Hero folds, hand plays out.

[mirage]

I probably would fold there.

As an aside I remember this hand. I had JJ and the river was a T. Why did I make the mistake of ever folding in limit? [/obvious sarcasm]

[sfustsh]

I play the same.

[mirage]

I play the same.

Oh yes to add, if I did make the PF call I would play the rest the same.

[labatsman]

I probably fold preflop. I'ts not a hand I like

[sfustsh]

I think it's pretty hard to justify folding given the essentially 7 to 1 odds.

Those are good odds to flop two pair or trips or a flush draw (all of which you can play to the river).

[mirage]

I don't dispute that, I'm more worried that UTG+2 might get cute and reraise. It's not terribly likely to happen but if it does, it will suck.

[caffiend]

Calling preflop is fine, odds-wise. That being said, showdown hands are difficult to play in family pots. I think the deciding factor is how well you play after the flop. That doesn't just mean you personally, but how much you can expect to get out of a good hand against your competiton.

Personally, I would call a majority of the time there. What I'm looking for is either a very big flop in a very loose game or a fair flop in a solid game. The last thing I want is a fair flop in a tight game. On to examples:

In a loose game, with lots of multi-way showdowns I'm hoping to get a boat, trip fours, the second flush, etc and run it through. Although many of those are second or third strength hands, they'll crush loose players who will call with pairs, mini-flushes, etc.

In a solid game with pots contested by strong hands I'm willing to try shots at the pot when I pair because I might win. Provided, of course, I have backdoor hopes of winning by spiking two pair or a running flush. Here the value is that most players are too aggressive now, and will pay you off with a single pair. The other players who might catch up later in the hand will fold, which means your marginal hand is much better because you only need to crack a good hand.

The dangerous combination is a rockish game. Rocks come in a variety of flavors, but they're all dangerous to a second strength hand. If I know someone will only raise with two pair or better, even kings-up is bad. Now I can't win anything if I hit a monstrous flop, because everyone will fold. I can't even like a marginal flop, because nobody's continuing without the goods. Note that I include the common situation online where a bunch of people see the flop but the pot's heads up on the turn here.

Anyway, since you did play it it's pretty marginal on that flop. Two pair or trips on the turn is shakey, but the backdoor flush is obviously good. I have to suspect the backdoor wheel's good too. Now you're down to a people question. I hate calling if Mirage is going to raise. I like calling the more often I win with two pair. The primary danger there is sooted aces. If people are playing every ace and taking them to the river I'd head for the lifeboats now.

On the turn, jump in the water. Neither of your backdoor hands are possible, and way too many people play two broadways to like two pair or trips past the turn.