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1/2: A3 first hand flops top pair
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1/2: A3 first hand flops top pair
by mewsiclovr » Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:37 pm
Normally I would dump this a lot on the flop, but I remember reading somewhere that it's almost never correct to fold top pair in limit for one bet in a decent sized pot. So following that line of thinking, I'm not really sure what the plan is on the flop. Just call down?
(btw, I usually never post out of turn but the BB had just passed me because the button left and I was mad at missing it and wanted to play at this super juicy table)
PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (7 handed) TightPoker converter
Preflop: Hero is CO with
,
. Hero posts a blind of $1.
3 folds, Hero (poster) checks, Button raises, SB calls, 1 fold, Hero calls.
Flop: (7 SB)
,
,
(3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, Button folds.
Turn: (4.50 BB)
(2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.
River: (6.50 BB)
(2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.
Final Pot: 8.50 BB
(btw, I usually never post out of turn but the BB had just passed me because the button left and I was mad at missing it and wanted to play at this super juicy table)
PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (7 handed) TightPoker converter
Preflop: Hero is CO with
,
. Hero posts a blind of $1.
3 folds, Hero (poster) checks, Button raises, SB calls, 1 fold, Hero calls.
Flop: (7 SB)
,
,
(3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, Button folds.
Turn: (4.50 BB)
(2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.
River: (6.50 BB)
(2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.
Final Pot: 8.50 BB
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by sfustsh » Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:06 pm
What you heard about not laying down top pair is total garbage.
It may be true for many pairs but aces are special. You really are rarely ahead here. You can't call the flop because even if you had SB beat, the button is the one who raised preflop, so if anyone hit this flop it's him. Your hand is definitely not strong enough to withstand a raising war on the flop, which is what you're asking to get into by getting between the button (showed strength PF) and the SB (showed enormous strength by betting into 2 people on this board).
What else could the small blind have? He didn't 'really' get a discount to call and knew he was gonna be OOP postflop. His line is very strong, you are behind, and the odds don't justify it, in my opinion, on the turn.
If you call the turn then call the river.
It may be true for many pairs but aces are special. You really are rarely ahead here. You can't call the flop because even if you had SB beat, the button is the one who raised preflop, so if anyone hit this flop it's him. Your hand is definitely not strong enough to withstand a raising war on the flop, which is what you're asking to get into by getting between the button (showed strength PF) and the SB (showed enormous strength by betting into 2 people on this board).
What else could the small blind have? He didn't 'really' get a discount to call and knew he was gonna be OOP postflop. His line is very strong, you are behind, and the odds don't justify it, in my opinion, on the turn.
If you call the turn then call the river.
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by mewsiclovr » Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:15 pm
Well I wouldn't call Ed Miller's advice garbage (I am referring to this post). It's very likely I've misapplied it, I have no doubt, but that's why I posted the hand.
*edit*: After re-reading the referenced post I think he was referring to a pot that was bigger, about 10SB. So I probably did interpret the advice wrong.
*edit*: After re-reading the referenced post I think he was referring to a pot that was bigger, about 10SB. So I probably did interpret the advice wrong.
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by sfustsh » Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:19 pm
The problem is that you're very likely not facing just one bet from SB, there's a big (huge) chance that button will raise and SB will reraise, forcing you to call a lot of money with a hand that doesn't really justify it. And, if you make it to the turn, then the betting just doubles.
You are stuck between two strong players, if button and SB had just limped then you can call all day, but SB makes a very strong bet here.
Once you get to the turn I have a lot less problem (really none at all, Ed Miller is right that you can't fold this hand given the 5.whatever odds to call).
I hate to say it, but the problem here is posting early
You are stuck between two strong players, if button and SB had just limped then you can call all day, but SB makes a very strong bet here.
Once you get to the turn I have a lot less problem (really none at all, Ed Miller is right that you can't fold this hand given the 5.whatever odds to call).
I hate to say it, but the problem here is posting early
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by biggle10 » Wed Apr 04, 2007 7:58 pm
My line: Raise preflop.
I think I raise the flop as its a cheaper way to get to showdown if that's your plan. Also SB could easily have a flush draw here and it'd be nice to get Button out if he has something like KQ, TT and the like. I can find a fold if it gets capped back to me.
I fold the turn as the club draw got there meaning you're basically ahead of nothing.
I think I raise the flop as its a cheaper way to get to showdown if that's your plan. Also SB could easily have a flush draw here and it'd be nice to get Button out if he has something like KQ, TT and the like. I can find a fold if it gets capped back to me.
I fold the turn as the club draw got there meaning you're basically ahead of nothing.
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