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Why It pays to Always Tip the Dealer at PP
by adessafe » Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:11 am
#Game No : 5692503043
***** Hand History for Game 5692503043 *****
$0.15/$0.30 Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, February 20, 08:04:03 ET 2007
Table Table 128349 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 3: A_C_E_S_2 ( $5.12 )
Seat 7: Osamma9 ( $5.83 )
Seat 9: MunkoBator ( $7.94 )
Seat 8: Anikie ( $8.48 )
Seat 5: Alexb5 ( $5.72 )
Seat 6: PieR0705 ( $6.75 )
Seat 2: paulus321 ( $10.42 )
Seat 10: fettarmeseis ( $9.52 )
Seat 4: ill00si0nist ( $7.50 )
Osamma9 posts small blind [$0.07].
Anikie posts big blind [$0.15].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to A_C_E_S_2 [ Th Kh ]
MunkoBator folds
fettarmeseis folds
paulus321 folds
MongoFlo has joined the table.
A_C_E_S_2 raises [$0.30]
Alexb5 folds
PieR0705 folds
Osamma9 calls [$0.23]
Anikie folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2c, Ad, Ah ]
Osamma9 checks
A_C_E_S_2 bets [$0.15]
Osamma9 calls [$0.15]
[b][b]** Dealing Turn ** [ 8h ]
Osamma9 checks
A_C_E_S_2 bets [$0.30]
Osamma9 raises [$0.60]
A_C_E_S_2 calls [$0.30]
** Dealing River ** [ 6h ]
Osamma9 bets [$0.30]
A_C_E_S_2 calls [$0.30]
[color=red]Osamma9 shows [ As, Kd ]three of a kind, Aces.
A_C_E_S_2 shows [ Th, Kh ]a flush, Ace high.
A_C_E_S_2 wins $2.75 from the main pot with a flush, Ace high.
***** Hand History for Game 5692503043 *****
$0.15/$0.30 Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, February 20, 08:04:03 ET 2007
Table Table 128349 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 3: A_C_E_S_2 ( $5.12 )
Seat 7: Osamma9 ( $5.83 )
Seat 9: MunkoBator ( $7.94 )
Seat 8: Anikie ( $8.48 )
Seat 5: Alexb5 ( $5.72 )
Seat 6: PieR0705 ( $6.75 )
Seat 2: paulus321 ( $10.42 )
Seat 10: fettarmeseis ( $9.52 )
Seat 4: ill00si0nist ( $7.50 )
Osamma9 posts small blind [$0.07].
Anikie posts big blind [$0.15].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to A_C_E_S_2 [ Th Kh ]
MunkoBator folds
fettarmeseis folds
paulus321 folds
MongoFlo has joined the table.
A_C_E_S_2 raises [$0.30]
Alexb5 folds
PieR0705 folds
Osamma9 calls [$0.23]
Anikie folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2c, Ad, Ah ]
Osamma9 checks
A_C_E_S_2 bets [$0.15]
Osamma9 calls [$0.15]
[b][b]** Dealing Turn ** [ 8h ]
Osamma9 checks
A_C_E_S_2 bets [$0.30]
Osamma9 raises [$0.60]
A_C_E_S_2 calls [$0.30]
** Dealing River ** [ 6h ]
Osamma9 bets [$0.30]
A_C_E_S_2 calls [$0.30]
[color=red]Osamma9 shows [ As, Kd ]three of a kind, Aces.
A_C_E_S_2 shows [ Th, Kh ]a flush, Ace high.
A_C_E_S_2 wins $2.75 from the main pot with a flush, Ace high.
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by sfustsh » Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:34 pm
Is this a "Guess which street I played most poorly" thread?
KTs is not strong enough to raise 2 off the button 10 handed. You can limp, here. Folding is probably too weak given the strength of your hand (it's a decent hand, to be sure).
Since you raised preflop, betting the flop is okay. If he doesn't have a hand, he folds here. If he bets out you should certainly fold.
Just check behind on the turn. If you never bet your draws on the turn in position you'd probably not be hurting yourself too much.
Also to note: Unless your opponent flopped a full house (1 in 1000) your draw is to the nuts. Therefore, you gain by not betting your flush draw, since there are times when your opponent is also on a flush draw and if you both hit it there will be lots of betting. It is better to let you both draw to a flush for those times when he has the second nuts.
Here's some things to think about:
What if he raises you on the flop, do you call? What if the river isn't a heart, do you call a bet? What if the river is the 2h, what do you do then? You are lucky that your opponent played this almost as bad as he possibly could.
KTs is not strong enough to raise 2 off the button 10 handed. You can limp, here. Folding is probably too weak given the strength of your hand (it's a decent hand, to be sure).
Since you raised preflop, betting the flop is okay. If he doesn't have a hand, he folds here. If he bets out you should certainly fold.
Just check behind on the turn. If you never bet your draws on the turn in position you'd probably not be hurting yourself too much.
Also to note: Unless your opponent flopped a full house (1 in 1000) your draw is to the nuts. Therefore, you gain by not betting your flush draw, since there are times when your opponent is also on a flush draw and if you both hit it there will be lots of betting. It is better to let you both draw to a flush for those times when he has the second nuts.
Here's some things to think about:
What if he raises you on the flop, do you call? What if the river isn't a heart, do you call a bet? What if the river is the 2h, what do you do then? You are lucky that your opponent played this almost as bad as he possibly could.
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Re: Wrong ?
by sfustsh » Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:26 pm
AdesSafe wrote:Was mixing up my game so I don't become too mechanical and easy to read......
Well I certainly wouldn't have put you on KT of hearts on this hand.
EDIT: But I would have reraised the flop, raised the flop, and bet the turn, too.
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Re: Wrong ?
by biggle10 » Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:28 pm
AdesSafe wrote:Was mixing up my game so I don't become too mechanical and easy to read......
I think the open raise is good.
Check the turn through. Villain called on that flop. He's not folding. You need help.
Raise the river.
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calling
by adessafe » Thu Feb 22, 2007 4:55 pm
I have a question, supposing I'm on a draw on the flop, I need another Club say in the turn to complete my flush......I know that I need around 4 times the call amount to make the call worthwile.....
But supposing I dont get my card on the turn, I still need to draw for a flush card on the river....but now of course i have to put in more money....And I have to recover the fact that I already called he bet on the flop - turn......Do I treat each decision as a new event.....IE i only need 4:1 pot odds to.....
IE Do I make my decisions on the basis of Each individual card forgetting about the money I may have invested in prior betting rounds...
But supposing I dont get my card on the turn, I still need to draw for a flush card on the river....but now of course i have to put in more money....And I have to recover the fact that I already called he bet on the flop - turn......Do I treat each decision as a new event.....IE i only need 4:1 pot odds to.....
IE Do I make my decisions on the basis of Each individual card forgetting about the money I may have invested in prior betting rounds...
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by sfustsh » Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:13 pm
Yes and it's a major mistake new players make. They say "Oh I'm getting 3 to 1 on my call and my flush is 2 to 1 to come in, I call!"
Then they miss the turn and get bet at again, this time with the larger bet size. They say "Well I'm still getting 3 to 1 on my call and again, my flush comes in 2 to 1, so I call."
So what would have cost nothing by just folding the flop has cost several bets, especially if they make a callable second best hand, like a pair.
You need to consider that only 9 cards make your flush, and the odds of one of those cards coming on the NEXT card is 4 to 1. If you don't have those kind of odds, you simply cannot call. However, sometimes you have hidden outs, like a backdoor straight or some overcards which improve the value of your draw.
Then they miss the turn and get bet at again, this time with the larger bet size. They say "Well I'm still getting 3 to 1 on my call and again, my flush comes in 2 to 1, so I call."
So what would have cost nothing by just folding the flop has cost several bets, especially if they make a callable second best hand, like a pair.
You need to consider that only 9 cards make your flush, and the odds of one of those cards coming on the NEXT card is 4 to 1. If you don't have those kind of odds, you simply cannot call. However, sometimes you have hidden outs, like a backdoor straight or some overcards which improve the value of your draw.
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by sfustsh » Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:05 am
Ugignadl wrote:Don't sit down with less that 100BBs at any level in NL Cash. Best play is to buy in for the max every time. If that makes you uneasy, it's time to move down limits.
This is a limit thread, but even so, I disagree.
Playing short in an NL game greatly simplifies your decision making process, nullifying some of the disadvantages of being inexperienced. Sklansky has a whole section in No Limit Hold 'em: Theory and Practice, and other authors are quick to advocate playing short in certain situations. Maybe you should read them.
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by randy72560 » Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:41 pm
Don't sit down with less that 100BBs at any level in NL Cash. Best play is to buy in for the max every time. If that makes you uneasy, it's time to move down limits.
I don't agree.. I usually sit down with smaller buy-ins.. Not because I need to move down or I'm uneasy about the money... I 'm just use to building my stack and doubling up I guess. Hell, I can always re-load if needed, but if I get stacked at a table I usually move on to another..
Am I alone in this strategy???
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