Too risky ... or well played?
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Too risky ... or well played?
by micloren » Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:38 pm
I put this guy on trip queens with a worse kicker...
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed) TightPoker converter
saw flop|saw showdown
SB ($22.65)
BB ($56.60)
UTG ($21.60)
MP1 ($55.30)
MP2 ($19.95)
CO ($29.20)
Hero ($31.95)
Preflop: Hero is Button with
, 
.
4 folds, Hero raises to $1.5, SB calls $1.25, 1 fold.
Flop: ($3.50)
, 
, 
(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.5, SB raises to $4.5, Hero raises to $7.5, SB calls $3.
Turn: ($18.50)
(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.
River: ($18.50)
(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $22.95 (All-In), SB calls $13.65 (All-In).
Final Pot: $55.10
Results hidden below:
SB has Ac As (two pair, aces and queens).
Hero has Ah Qd (three of a kind, queens).
Outcome: Hero wins $55.10.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed) TightPoker converter
saw flop|saw showdown
SB ($22.65)
BB ($56.60)
UTG ($21.60)
MP1 ($55.30)
MP2 ($19.95)
CO ($29.20)
Hero ($31.95)
Preflop: Hero is Button with
, .
4 folds, Hero raises to $1.5, SB calls $1.25, 1 fold.
Flop: ($3.50)
, , (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.5, SB raises to $4.5, Hero raises to $7.5, SB calls $3.
Turn: ($18.50)
(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.
River: ($18.50)
(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $22.95 (All-In), SB calls $13.65 (All-In).
Final Pot: $55.10
Results hidden below:
SB has Ac As (two pair, aces and queens).
Hero has Ah Qd (three of a kind, queens).
Outcome: Hero wins $55.10.
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by mirage » Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:41 pm
Any reads on this guy?
As played, I think the river push is fine FWIW, he's checked his last chance to get some money in the pot if he's got a boat, which I would read as a scared Q that would call such a push.
I bet bigger and reraise bigger on the flop, I'd be happy to get it in right there if possible. Once he flat calls that reraise and checks the turn you have to bet at least 1/2 pot, if he calls there then obviously the rest will go in on the river easier. The only thing he could have to beat you is 33 or Q3 and even against those hands you have outs, so the sooner you get this in, the better.
As played, I think the river push is fine FWIW, he's checked his last chance to get some money in the pot if he's got a boat, which I would read as a scared Q that would call such a push.
I bet bigger and reraise bigger on the flop, I'd be happy to get it in right there if possible. Once he flat calls that reraise and checks the turn you have to bet at least 1/2 pot, if he calls there then obviously the rest will go in on the river easier. The only thing he could have to beat you is 33 or Q3 and even against those hands you have outs, so the sooner you get this in, the better.
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by neverthink » Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:27 pm
Actually, I don't hate the flop reraise, assuming you make it sure that he will call you with 99 or something needing proof. There is no draw or any number of cards that could hurt you on the turn, so just calling or sucking him in is fine here. As soon as I see this flop I think it's stack time if he has a reasonable pair like JJ to 88. Your only concern is that he holds 33 and flopped a full house, and at this level, I think you have to pay it off, no, you do have to pay him off.
I like the turn check a lot less than the flop 3 bet. Not only has the board got a little drawy now, but you also had the last say so on the flop, so he will check behind an awful lot here with hands you beat that he would call a bet with. Or he takes a freeby to outdraw you and you lose a big pot on the river as I think you're committed from here, especially when you show weakness. You'll be obliged to call.
If he flipped over A4 for the wheel I'd be gutted. I haven't looked at the results just yet, but I think you win here more often than you lose regardless. If he had Q3 then bastarrd.
I like the turn check a lot less than the flop 3 bet. Not only has the board got a little drawy now, but you also had the last say so on the flop, so he will check behind an awful lot here with hands you beat that he would call a bet with. Or he takes a freeby to outdraw you and you lose a big pot on the river as I think you're committed from here, especially when you show weakness. You'll be obliged to call.
If he flipped over A4 for the wheel I'd be gutted. I haven't looked at the results just yet, but I think you win here more often than you lose regardless. If he had Q3 then bastarrd.
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by crunny » Wed Feb 07, 2007 3:57 am
My two cents:
-Bet more on the flop. Although this isn't a drawy flop I still like to fast play trips, therefore make a PSB.
However, I only call the raise because with a re-raise you may as well turn your cards face up, yes its that obvious.
-I definitely bet the turn.
-Unless you had a read on villain the river bet is way too big IMO!! Most players won't call this unless they have trips+, and by the way this hand was played, villain most likely does not. I prefer a value bet of 1/3-1/2 pot.
-Bet more on the flop. Although this isn't a drawy flop I still like to fast play trips, therefore make a PSB.
However, I only call the raise because with a re-raise you may as well turn your cards face up, yes its that obvious.
-I definitely bet the turn.
-Unless you had a read on villain the river bet is way too big IMO!! Most players won't call this unless they have trips+, and by the way this hand was played, villain most likely does not. I prefer a value bet of 1/3-1/2 pot.
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by sfustsh » Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:57 pm
I'm not sure how I feel about betting more on the flop. I would have bet more with threes full, trying to play a big pot against trip queens.
I'd probably bet about 2/3 pot in the case where he has A3, but most of the time any bet will tear down this pot.
However his raise indicates he has one of three hands, threes full, trip queens or any pair larger than threes. I don't see how he can have anything else.
I don't like reraising because its fairly likely you're up against a FH, at least often enough to avoid getting re-reraised, which I think forces you to muck. (What hand, that you beat, can he get all in on this flop, only Qx probably, which isn't likely). As played it does simplify the turn:
After he checks the turn, just shove. He has to call with any sort of hand, and he usually doesn't have a FH, since he would have bet into you if not put you all in on the flop.
I'd probably bet about 2/3 pot in the case where he has A3, but most of the time any bet will tear down this pot.
However his raise indicates he has one of three hands, threes full, trip queens or any pair larger than threes. I don't see how he can have anything else.
I don't like reraising because its fairly likely you're up against a FH, at least often enough to avoid getting re-reraised, which I think forces you to muck. (What hand, that you beat, can he get all in on this flop, only Qx probably, which isn't likely). As played it does simplify the turn:
After he checks the turn, just shove. He has to call with any sort of hand, and he usually doesn't have a FH, since he would have bet into you if not put you all in on the flop.
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