Can you get away from this?

[ucbmoose]

Is there any way that you don't call this? I have stats of 45/16/2 for the Villain.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (7 handed) TightPoker converter

CO ($16.80)
Button ($9.45)
SB ($24)
BB ($24.50)
Hero ($33.50)
MP1 ($17.55)
MP2 ($24.60)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with , .
Hero raises to $1.25, 4 folds, SB raises to $2.5, 1 fold, Hero raises to $5, SB calls $2.50.

Flop: ($10.25) , , (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $7, SB raises to $19, Hero calls $12.

Turn: ($48.25) (2 players)

River: ($48.25) (2 players)

Final Pot: $48.25

Results hidden below:
Hero has Ad Ac (straight, ten high).
SB has 6c 6h (straight, ten high).
Outcome: SB wins $24.12. Hero wins $24.12.

[neverthink]

Preflop is misplayed, it affects the rest of the hand and makes it difficult to tell what the right play is. If you 4 bet preflop, your hand is face up, so you also allow yourself to be outplayed on the flop. So if you do 4 bet it, make it at least $8. Get a chunk of his stack in there so that his calling to set up is a mistake, as it will probably be very hard to get away from an overpair on a flop where a villain like this could easily be making a play on you. If you are not going to 4 bet properly, then just call and check/shove almost any flop, maybe he will give you action with smaller overpairs or call thinking you have a draw.

Once you spell out your hand like that, you can't expect to get any value for it. Villain capitalised on your mistakes here.

[mirage]

Neverthink said it perfectly. I would personally make the 4-bet $10 just to completely blow his implied odds out of the water, which will also make the pot big enough to push the flop if he flat calls it.

[ugignadl]

The great MATHS is telling me that raising to $5 pf is just retarded. It accomplishes nothing. Either flat call or make a real bet, more like 8--allin. With my image I would have raised to $9.

No NT, my hand would not be face up.

HOWEVER in a vaccuum it is more as NT described.

[neverthink]

No NT, my hand would not be face up.

What's the worst hand you 4 bet with at NL100 online? Or are you saying something about the quality of the opposition? 4 betting is really more to do with your opponents frequencies than your own. Do you get reraised to hell or something Ug?

Just saying that his hand now looks like a monster pair, and the problem is that it is.

[mirage]

I have to go with neverthink on this one, a 4-bet is almost always kings or aces unless you are up against a maniac/LAGtard. That's why I said 10, 8 or 9 works, but the point is that if you give him odds to hit his set and he does you have only yourself to blame.

[ucbmoose]

Thanks for the input guys.

[ugignadl]

As to the worst hand I would 4bet with, NT, you hit the nail on the head with `depends on opponents', but not in the way you might think. If I am confident that I have a great read on my opponent, for flop and preflop play, I will 4bet with any raising hand. If I am the aggressor (and if I am not the aggressor then I am holding prem) then their 3bet is, as you say, almost always a big tell. I can 4bet with confidence here. It's not something I like with only 100bbs.

In a vaccuum I do not 4bet.