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Early game, OESD + overpair, reraised
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Early game, OESD + overpair, reraised
by jacedk » Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:04 pm
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) TightPoker converter
Button (t4160) 70/20 LAG
SB (t1825)
BB (t1975)
UTG (t2080)
UTG+1 (t1820)
MP1 (t4110)
MP2 (t2280)
MP3 (t1040)
Hero (t4865)
Preflop: Hero is CO with
,
.
3 folds, MP2 calls t50, 1 fold, Hero calls t50, Button calls t50, SB completes, BB checks.
Flop: (t250)
,
,
(5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets t200, Button raises to t600, SB folds, BB folds, MP2 folds, Hero folds.
Final Pot: t1050
Button (t4160) 70/20 LAG
SB (t1825)
BB (t1975)
UTG (t2080)
UTG+1 (t1820)
MP1 (t4110)
MP2 (t2280)
MP3 (t1040)
Hero (t4865)
Preflop: Hero is CO with
,
.
3 folds, MP2 calls t50, 1 fold, Hero calls t50, Button calls t50, SB completes, BB checks.
Flop: (t250)
,
,
(5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets t200, Button raises to t600, SB folds, BB folds, MP2 folds, Hero folds.
Final Pot: t1050
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by LadyWrestler » Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:42 pm
MewsicLovr wrote:I like a call and reeval turn.
Yes: This looks like 2 diamonds...7, 4, or 8...or maybe even 2 overcards. The only thing I would really be worried about here as beating you at this point, given the action so far, is 98 (unlikely since you have 2 of the 8's). Imperfect info is great fun, yes!
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by ihatejacks » Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:32 pm
awwwwwwwwwwww in! Backdoor str8 flush draw and over pair is a sweet hand
I'd say he's making a position play at what he thinks is a continuation bet from the cutoff in an attempt to steal.
I'd say he's making a position play at what he thinks is a continuation bet from the cutoff in an attempt to steal.
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by sfustsh » Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:02 am
A lot of people in the pot for that, iHateJacks.
I think he's got something, but probably nothing you can't beat.
I usually get it in here. If you're not ahead, which I think you are, you have a huge chance for a resuck on the river.
Getting your money in with one card suited to the board draw actually improves your chances of 'preventing' his FD from coming in fairly significantly (well, about what you'd expect, maybe), but it seems unlikely that he doesn't have a draw. It's certainly not likely that he has jacks or better though he may have nines or tens. I'm willing to take my chances that he doesn't have a set, because as was mentioned, we have a strong draw.
Basically I don't mind getting all my money on a 3 to 1 or better situation unless there are larger MTT issues to address (which there don't appear to be, or were not mentioned in the post). Most of the time you are ahead here, or if not have a reasonable chance to draw out.
EDIT: Forgot my line, I call his bet and check raise AI a blank turn but shut down if a diamond hits.
I think he's got something, but probably nothing you can't beat.
I usually get it in here. If you're not ahead, which I think you are, you have a huge chance for a resuck on the river.
Getting your money in with one card suited to the board draw actually improves your chances of 'preventing' his FD from coming in fairly significantly (well, about what you'd expect, maybe), but it seems unlikely that he doesn't have a draw. It's certainly not likely that he has jacks or better though he may have nines or tens. I'm willing to take my chances that he doesn't have a set, because as was mentioned, we have a strong draw.
Basically I don't mind getting all my money on a 3 to 1 or better situation unless there are larger MTT issues to address (which there don't appear to be, or were not mentioned in the post). Most of the time you are ahead here, or if not have a reasonable chance to draw out.
EDIT: Forgot my line, I call his bet and check raise AI a blank turn but shut down if a diamond hits.
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by tightpoker » Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:36 am
I think being OOP on this hand makes this very awkward to play. The flop is just scary in it's coordination, which makes it difficult to push out a drawing hand if your opponent is LAG and has a draw.
The amount of chips needed to force out a draw in addition to skill needed to run away from the hand if your opponent hits is marginal at best. Getting an opponent out with a weaker hand to commit more chips is very slim too, so your only real hope is that he is bluffing and you can re-raise the flop to force him out.
In your range of hands he could be holding, a lot of them are against you and not many are for you, so I would probably just get away here. You don't have a lot of redraw opportunities either, as an 8 doesn't help, and even if you complete a straight, he's either going to be scared away and won't pay off.
So, I probably fold here and avoid confrontation on a sketchy hand with an opponent who can do quite some damage to my stack.
The amount of chips needed to force out a draw in addition to skill needed to run away from the hand if your opponent hits is marginal at best. Getting an opponent out with a weaker hand to commit more chips is very slim too, so your only real hope is that he is bluffing and you can re-raise the flop to force him out.
In your range of hands he could be holding, a lot of them are against you and not many are for you, so I would probably just get away here. You don't have a lot of redraw opportunities either, as an 8 doesn't help, and even if you complete a straight, he's either going to be scared away and won't pay off.
So, I probably fold here and avoid confrontation on a sketchy hand with an opponent who can do quite some damage to my stack.
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by alanpsych » Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:17 pm
A set or two pair are not out of the question (hands that would want to play this fast). I doubt he has a higher pp. If he has a flush draw with 2 overcards, he's barely even an underdog. Because he's a LAG, you don't have the FE you'd like to have that a scary board sometimes gives you. In previous hands, when he makes moves like this on the flop mulit-way, does he usually have the goods, or is he just trying to steal?
I hate to be in a drawing situation, which you could well be in, vs. this type of player. I think 40M is too deep to be risking everything on this hand. Later, or if you had 1/2 or fewer chips, you could maybe justify this gamble as being a way either to significantly increase your ROI, or to get you back into contention. Right now, I think you're in good position at this stage of the tournament (I might reconsider if there are a huge # of players--1000+--and you need to gamble to have a chance) Remember, you could be better and still lose a good percentage of these. Doubling up would be very nice, but I don't think it automatically makes you a shoo-in for the FT this early.
If you 3 bet him, you'll either get him to fold air, or he'll call you in a flip situation. You're in good shape in the tournament, and you'll be in a situation to c/r this guy with a real hand later on. (Having said that, I have to confess that I've gambled in this type of situation before.)
Also, what is the buy in? If it's a 4/180, I'd expect him to fold less than in a 20/180, for example.
I hate to be in a drawing situation, which you could well be in, vs. this type of player. I think 40M is too deep to be risking everything on this hand. Later, or if you had 1/2 or fewer chips, you could maybe justify this gamble as being a way either to significantly increase your ROI, or to get you back into contention. Right now, I think you're in good position at this stage of the tournament (I might reconsider if there are a huge # of players--1000+--and you need to gamble to have a chance) Remember, you could be better and still lose a good percentage of these. Doubling up would be very nice, but I don't think it automatically makes you a shoo-in for the FT this early.
If you 3 bet him, you'll either get him to fold air, or he'll call you in a flip situation. You're in good shape in the tournament, and you'll be in a situation to c/r this guy with a real hand later on. (Having said that, I have to confess that I've gambled in this type of situation before.)
Also, what is the buy in? If it's a 4/180, I'd expect him to fold less than in a 20/180, for example.
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by jacedk » Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:01 am
Alanpsych wrote:Also, what is the buy in? If it's a 4/180, I'd expect him to fold less than in a 20/180, for example.
This was a $11 + 1 rebuy & 1 add-on, if i recall correctly. I don't remember excatly what this guy had showed down, but I doubt I'd be able to get him to fold unless he is on a pure bluff. Any kind of draw, he would call me regardless of the odds.
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