Sillyness at NL100?

[neverthink]

When in a spot where you are either way ahead or way behind, and you choose not to fold, it is important to not be the instigator of a large pot.

If you are thinking about playing a big pot with a marginal hand, just call flop, and check/raise turn all in (if given opportunity). At least let him bluff or semi bluff a little more if you are ahead. I far prefer a turn check/raise as it's a much more favourable place to build a big pot when you have only one pair.

Flop is nearly always very bad to get a lot of money in. One street later it will often be ok though.

Thats how I approach it anyway.

[goofyballer]

As played, turn is an easy shove.

[ugignadl]

What is your line on the flop Goof?

[goofyballer]

Lead $14, call min-raise, re-eval turn.

[nlman]

May as well push the turn, I guess. His hand kinda looks like some sort of a draw, maybe even suited queen. Too much money in the pot at this point. Most people would just push their sets on the flop I think.

If his stats are VIP 15/PFR 2/AF <0.5 or I have some other read indicating that this is how he plays his sets, then I am folding this on the flop. If he reraises with anything, then obviously push.

[ugignadl]

I gave his stats in the OP.

Results soon.

[LadyWrestler]

Great thread! I have nothing to add. I am just reading and learning!

[nlman]

I gave his stats in the OP.

Results soon.

Oops, missed them. So, 30/7? Fairly loose for full ring. Does your prog track their aggression? That's one thing I would really like to look at without a better read.

Btw, "sticky" means he likes to stick in the pot if he hits a pair of 2-s? If so, then I like the push here.

[ugignadl]

Not especially, I label someone as sticky if they have a hand on one street which then devalues according to the board on later streets, but refuse to fold. (``I HAD a great hand! They just got lucky then I had to call!'')

His postflop aggression factor at the time was 1.71 (usual PT aggression calculation).

[nlman]

Is he tricky enough to not push a set on the flop or slowplay AA/KK like this preflop?

As for me, I can see myself folding it on the flop after his min reraise if his aggression is low enough or if I have a bad feeling. Otherwise I am pretty much ready to go for it if necessary, especially after having $40 in it already. May as well push the turn and make him fold a possible AQ to avoid the split.

[ugignadl]

OK. Well this has gone on long enough, so here is the full hand:

***** Hand History for Game 5536095201 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, December 27, 01:58:35 ET 2006
Table Jackpot #1305491 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: VariousSpace ( $89.80 )
Seat 2: jonasnr ( $95.15 )
Seat 3: danhydepark ( $123.15 )
Seat 4: SharkingFish ( $251.72 )
Seat 5: samson48 ( $11.10 )
Seat 7: skaife74 ( $50.65 )
Seat 8: frugalboy ( $87.80 )
Seat 9: Ugignadl ( $120.45 )
Seat 10: fatlipjesus9 ( $152.75 )
Seat 6: ODB235 ( $18.50 )
Ugignadl posts small blind [$0.50].
fatlipjesus9: i called
fatlipjesus9 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Ugignadl [ ]
jonasnr calls [$1]
danhydepark folds.
SharkingFish calls [$1]
samson48 calls [$1]
ODB235 folds.
skaife74 folds.
Ugignadl raises [$5.50]
fatlipjesus9 folds.
jonasnr folds.
SharkingFish calls [$5]
samson48 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
Ugignadl bets [$10]
SharkingFish raises [$20] figured he was on some kind of draw
Ugignadl raises [$40]
SharkingFish calls [$30] thinking about 80% chance he is on a draw
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
Ugignadl is all-In. not the best card, but looking to get the most value
SharkingFish calls [$64.45]
** Dealing River ** [ ]
Ugignadl shows [ , ]two pairs, Queens and Threes.
SharkingFish shows [ , ]two pairs, Kings and Threes.
The time at which hand ended:Dec 27 2006 02:00 ET
SharkingFish wins $240.40 from the main pot with two pairs, Kings and Threes.

Nice limp with preflop. Noted this and saw him do it with AA and KK twice more in the same session.

I probably should have folded to the min-raise on the flop.

[nlman]

lol, actually KK was the first thing I thought after first looking at the hand (probably after he cold called min-re-reraise). I can see myself doing this if I knew that I would end up heads up with the preflop raiser who likes to raise Ax and plays them aggressively when he hits them (However, I'd definitely reraise "I like to raise every pocket" kind of player to kill his set odds).

But in this case it doesn't look like he did it because he had a read, more like because he thinks that his big pockets are invincible after a min bet preflop. One of my favorite kinds of players

[crunny]

Ugi, i didn't put him on KK, but I agree with your line of thinking- Fold to the min-raise on the flop.

Lately, I've been making a habit of folding any pair to a min-raise. It may seem very weak but i think it has saved me money at the lower limits.

[nlman]

Lately, I've been making a habit of folding any pair to a min-raise. It may seem very weak but i think it has saved me money at the lower limits.

I haven't played low limits for some time, but keep in mind that if someone is good enough to be taking notes, they'll be walking all over you very soon. Maybe on lower limits it is a good strategy, I don't know...

On $200 NL people are waaaaay more aggressive. You can get reraised and min-reraised with just about anything starting from pure nuts to TPTK to draws to just nothing at all (a pure bluff when they think that you'll fold). Your reads get a lot more important there...