Selected hands from a £5+1 MTT: JJ in SB vs. lots of action

[jacedk]

Tourney has been pretty loose. Chris109 is a real calling station. No other reads.

Game #1107266974: Hold'em NL (25/50) - 2005/12/18 - 05:56:58 (ET)
Table "Tourney 1560509 - 4" Seat 8 is the button.
Seat 1: Paul125 (1380 in chips)
Seat 2: jenny10 (3005 in chips)
Seat 3: Floppydog (4480 in chips)
Seat 4: Chris109 (1540 in chips)
Seat 5: RUN2ACE (2267.50 in chips)
Seat 7: BLIMEEY (1535 in chips)
Seat 8: asti (1635 in chips)
Seat 9: ravrobbo (4297.50 in chips)
Seat 10: JaceDK (925 in chips)
ravrobbo: posts small blind 25
JaceDK: posts big blind 50
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to JaceDK [Js Jc]
Paul125: calls 50
jenny10: calls 50
Floppydog: folds
Chris109: calls 50
RUN2ACE: calls 50
BLIMEEY: folds
asti: raises to 400
ravrobbo: folds
JaceDK: ??? raises to 925 and is all-in
Paul125: folds
jenny10: folds
Chris109: calls 875 Figures!
RUN2ACE: calls 875 Oops!
asti: calls 525 And what would make him fold now...
----- FLOP ----- [6s 6c 7h]
Chris109: bets 615 and is all-in
RUN2ACE: folds
asti: calls 615
----- TURN ----- [6s 6c 7h][7s]
----- RIVER ----- [6s 6c 7h 7s][Tc]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Chris109: shows [As 9s] (Two Pairs, Sevens and Sixes, Ace high)
asti: shows [Qs 8h] (Two Pairs, Sevens and Sixes, Queen high)
JaceDK: shows [Js Jc] (Two Pairs, Jacks and Sevens, Ten high)
Chris109 collects 1230 from Side pot #1
JaceDK collects 3825 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot 5055 Main pot 3825 Side pot #1 1230 | Rake 0
Board [6s 6c 7h 7s Tc]
Seat 1: Paul125 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: jenny10 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Floppydog folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Chris109 showed [As 9s] and won (1230) with Two Pairs, Sevens and Sixes, Ace high
Seat 5: RUN2ACE folded on the Flop
Seat 7: BLIMEEY folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: asti (button) lost
Seat 9: ravrobbo (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: JaceDK (big blind) showed [Js Jc] and won (3825) with Two Pairs, Jacks and Sevens, Ten high
****HAND ENDS****

[hultin]

That 400 raise preflop by asti is an obvious over bet, unless he is tricky I wouldnt worry about this 400 raise.
Easy push with JJ, put the pressure on them.

And it worked!

[goofyballer]

From all the limpers it looks like you could double up just by pushing and getting everyone to fold. A push likely isolates you against the 400 raiser, with an extra 300 chips of dead money in there, not to mention that you're probably ahead given how loose the tourney is.

[shun]

That 400 raise preflop by asti is an obvious over bet, unless he is tricky I wouldnt worry about this 400 raise.

3x the BB + 4 limpers = 7x BB = 350

Not that much of an overbet. When people limp you need to raise more, you no longer have to follow 3x the BB or 4x the BB rules, add one more BB for each limper and it makes your raise sufficiently pot sized. Making it 200 here would be way too little for instance. 300 - 400 is a good sized raise.

[hultin]

I disagree. 400 chips is easily 25% of most of the peoples chips. Some more than 25%. Some of the larger stacks it is around 15-10%, but floppydog folded and the other large stack was behind him. So the only people he was raising, it was about 25% of their stacks.

That is an over bet. I agree that 150-200 would no longer be a good bet, but I would have made it 250-300 and no more, if I really wanted a caller.

[faquewdikhed]

That 400 raise preflop by asti is an obvious over bet, unless he is tricky I wouldnt worry about this 400 raise.
Easy push with JJ, put the pressure on them.

And it worked!

What hand do u put this 400 raise on? I think anything less than AQ is being hopeful, and your villain will be getting better than 2:1 on his money, so you will be going to showdown. Besides the overbetting villain, there are FOUR early position limpers which will act behind hero. I disagree that this is such an "easy push".

Luckily in this situation, villain was a complete nimrod. Against slightly better competition, you will not be so lucky to face Q8.

Other factors to think about are hero's chipstack relative to the rest of the table, and the blinds. Hero is the shortstack, and looking at the number of limpers in the pot, this is a loose game. JJ is a very good hand, only worried about QQ KK and AA. Considering all of the above, I would think that a push is a fine play. You have to double up sometime, and a HU (should have been) pot with great odds is a good place to do it.

[kbar13]

My bad, I selected call before I saw your chip stack. I also re-raise all in.

[zardnok]

Push it. With a loose tourney and being short stacked with blinds increasing, get your money in on what is likely the best hand and take your chances. If the table had been a bit more tight or you had twice the chips, the decision would likely swing the other way, but here it is an easy push IMO.

[jacedk]

Looks like everyone agree that this is a push situation. What makes this hand worth discussing is that in a MTT of this buy-in, not even a raise and a all-in reraise is a guarantee that loose limpers wil fold.

This kind of situation, where opponents get married to the hand as soon as the put money in the pot, means that you should make sure that your stack-situation is desperate enough to risk having JJ face 4-5 callers.

When 3 villains called, I was sure I was going out. The various hands they showed really surprised me, even for a loose tourney. Guess I lucked out.

[puckhead23]

I like the push here, mostly because you're the short stack and raising all-in would normally isolate you against the raiser. Based on the size of the raise, he could have anything from 2 overs to a PP (Q8, go figure ). You're in a position in the tournament where I'm guessing doubling up wouldn't even get you an to average stack (maybe just a little short of avg?). For your long term health in the tournament, I think this is as good a place as any to take a stab at doubling.