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[clivehamilton]

Pretty much a vaccuum, all ive seen is a few folds up to this point. my image is laggy. i know i went wrong, but where??




Full Tilt Poker Game #1325237806: Table Riff (deep 6) - $0.15/$0.30 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:29:21 ET - 2006/11/29
Seat 1: Strausser21 ($64)
Seat 2: pooojo33 ($29.70)
Seat 3: tiltey17 ($14.55)
Seat 4: lts_All_Luck ($36.05)
Seat 5: tlbcon ($42.20)
Seat 6: haveafrush ($72.25)
tlbcon posts the small blind of $0.15
haveafrush posts the big blind of $0.30
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to haveafrush [Qh Qs]
Strausser21 folds
pooojo33 folds
tiltey17 folds
lts_All_Luck raises to $1.05
tlbcon folds
haveafrush calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [Tc 9c Th]
haveafrush checks
lts_All_Luck bets $1.70
haveafrush calls $1.70
*** TURN *** [Tc 9c Th] [Jc]
haveafrush checks
lts_All_Luck bets $4
haveafrush calls $4
*** RIVER *** [Tc 9c Th Jc] [5h]
haveafrush checks
lts_All_Luck bets $15
haveafrush calls $15
*** SHOW DOWN ***


lts_All_Luck shows [6c Qc] (a flush, Queen high)
haveafrush mucks
lts_All_Luck wins the pot ($41.50) with a flush, Queen high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $43.65 | Rake $2.15
Board: [Tc 9c Th Jc 5h]

[fifo]

Having played something like 200 hands of NL, I'd reraise PF to about $2-3 or so. Then, I'd put in 2/3-3/4-pot size on the flop.

But that's just me.

[poormanbilly]

My eyes! They're burning!

[sfustsh]

This is where you went wrong

Full Tilt Poker Game #1325237806: Table Riff (deep 6) - $0.15/$0.30 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:29:21 ET - 2006/11/29
Seat 1: Strausser21 ($64)
Seat 2: pooojo33 ($29.70)
Seat 3: tiltey17 ($14.55)
Seat 4: lts_All_Luck ($36.05)
Seat 5: tlbcon ($42.20)
Seat 6: haveafrush ($72.25)
tlbcon posts the small blind of $0.15
haveafrush posts the big blind of $0.30
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to haveafrush [Qh Qs]
Strausser21 folds
pooojo33 folds
tiltey17 folds
lts_All_Luck raises to $1.05
tlbcon folds
haveafrush calls $0.75 Reraise to 3.15
*** FLOP *** [Tc 9c Th]
haveafrush checks
lts_All_Luck bets $1.70
haveafrush calls $1.70 Raise here. What could he have? How would you know? He's SUPPOSED to bet on a flop like this no matter WHAT he has, right?
*** TURN *** [Tc 9c Th] [Jc]
haveafrush checks
lts_All_Luck bets $4
haveafrush calls $4 From here you're fucked because you have no idea what he has
*** RIVER *** [Tc 9c Th Jc] [5h]
haveafrush checks
lts_All_Luck bets $15
haveafrush calls $15
*** SHOW DOWN ***


lts_All_Luck shows [6c Qc] (a flush, Queen high)
haveafrush mucks
lts_All_Luck wins the pot ($41.50) with a flush, Queen high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $43.65 | Rake $2.15
Board: [Tc 9c Th Jc 5h]


I expect you will rarely see someone show you such a complete garbage hand like Q6s when you RERAISE WITH QUEENS preflop every time! Now, obviously not EVERY time, but this one is such a no brainer.

Even if he does call and bets the flop you have to raise massive, like 4 - 5x his bet, giving him shitty odds to draw to his flush or straight. [/b]

[ugignadl]

reraise preflop, raise flop, fold river.

[nlman]

reraise preflop, raise flop, fold river.

Right on! The river just screams "I HAVE FLUSH!!!", but most likely I would just fold this one on the turn. Unless he is a habitual bluffer who bluffs every scare card, I would tend to belive him and save me $4.

[neverthink]

As played, you have to check fold river unless he never gives up on a bluff, calling there was your only significant mistake. The more standard line is obv 3 betting it preflop and then betting the flop.

I dunno if you were slowplaying or were scared by not reraising before the flop, but if you were slowplaying, I'd rather do it with just Kings or Aces, as nearly about 1/3 the time you'll have overcards and you'll have to check fold.

[snickers99]

Should we bet out on the flop? Or do we check-raise because you figure villain will be betting out almost every time after a PFR?

[sfustsh]

Should we bet out on the flop? Or do we check-raise because you figure villain will be betting out almost every time after a PFR?

Here I prefer a checkraise because you very often ahead. So far ahead that leading out will net you no bets usually.

[bigdil511]

Should we bet out on the flop? Or do we check-raise because you figure villain will be betting out almost every time after a PFR?

I wouldn't flat call OOP so I can't really answer this question. Basically I 3 bet PF and lead the flop. As played you must fold the river, if you do flat call PF I'd rather just lead out the flop.

[clivehamilton]

As played, you have to check fold river unless he never gives up on a bluff, calling there was your only significant mistake. The more standard line is obv 3 betting it preflop and then betting the flop.

I dunno if you were slowplaying or were scared by not reraising before the flop, but if you were slowplaying, I'd rather do it with just Kings or Aces, as nearly about 1/3 the time you'll have overcards and you'll have to check fold.

i was more scared of A10, K10 etc. The one hand i really wasnt thinking about was the flush, which led to the major misplay on the river. I guess my fault was all sourced from the preflop call instead of 3bet

[neverthink]

As played, you have to check fold river unless he never gives up on a bluff, calling there was your only significant mistake. The more standard line is obv 3 betting it preflop and then betting the flop.

I dunno if you were slowplaying or were scared by not reraising before the flop, but if you were slowplaying, I'd rather do it with just Kings or Aces, as nearly about 1/3 the time you'll have overcards and you'll have to check fold.

i was more scared of A10, K10 etc. The one hand i really wasnt thinking about was the flush, which led to the major misplay on the river. I guess my fault was all sourced from the preflop call instead of 3bet

You see, the problem with flat calling pre flop is that your hand is underrepresented, especially for a blind battle. Raising the flop after flat calling turns your hand into a bluff as a Ten could well be in your range. It's not a mistake to flat call preflop as long as you're disciplined enough to lay down to big bets on scary boards on the end and can read hands reasonably, as you are slowplaying the whole way. It's delicate.

If you flat called my raise and raised me on this flop, I'd be thinking you were bigger than QQ, so the range of hands I'd give you action from is less than if you just call call call and hope you're ahead. Raising flop is very bad imo.

One thing you can do with these big pairs is to just call like you did preflop and pray for a drawy flop to check raise all in. Most of the time you'll be called by lesser pairs and top pair thinking that you are drawing when you actually have them dominated. Sometimes you'll see a set but far less often than a worse hand. Plus this removes the guessing games on later streets.