Messing about with Johnny

[labatsman]

Ugi wrote

Mirage:-> When you raise as many hands as I do you like to keep the pressure on but still be able to induce folds. Earlier I liked to raise 4BB+1BB for each limper, however I think 3BB+1BB is more irritating to your opponents.

Ugi 2 questions???

If you get 4 limpers do you raise 8xBB?
Do you do this consistently??

[kedoran]

Ked --:> say you bet, then villain raises all-in, what's your move?

What does everyone else think?

Reads are that the guy is a passive weirdo.

I would really hate to end up with an all-in decision here with nothing but a pair. I've been in those situations a few times and I don't want to get there again.

I'd just check behind a passive weirdo. Most likely he'll show something like JJ, but I'd rather win a small pot, showdown my KK for the future fold equity and wait for something better to raise the river with next time.

You cant give people who will call down with anything a free showdown, river is the toughest place to value bet but also where you make the most as pot is getting bigger.

[nlman]

You cant give people who will call down with anything a free showdown

Who said that he will call down with anything? I am working with what was posted. If I knew he was a garden variety calling station, I'd value bet this 24/7.

[kedoran]

You cant give people who will call down with anything a free showdown

Who said that he will call down with anything? I am working with what was posted. If I knew he was a garden variety calling station, I'd value bet this 24/7.

he didnt add a read, but since he havent shown any aggresion on the earlier streets and he check to you on the river you have to belive your good.

[neverthink]

*** RIVER *** [:9s: ] [:Jc:]
NC_Redskin_Fan checks
ugignadl .....

value bet? or check behind?

I would check behind. I doubt many worse hands call you, but some better will and a couple will raise, and I really wouldn't want to call a one. If you're fine folding to a 3 times raise then ok, but I'd prefer showdown.

The idea of a 2 pair check raising sounds a bit crazy. Ug would have to be read almost perfectly for someone to profitably do that on this board. It would be a good bluff if he's known to value bet thin though.

[neverthink]

[quote="Kedoran

You cant give people who will call down with anything a free showdown, river is the toughest place to value bet but also where you make the most as pot is getting bigger.[/quote]

Totally agree, and I need to value bet more often on the river, but not on this board.

[ugignadl]

Ked:-> I did have a read in the post. I said he was a `passive weirdo'.

Ugi wrote

Mirage:-> When you raise as many hands as I do you like to keep the pressure on but still be able to induce folds. Earlier I liked to raise 4BB+1BB for each limper, however I think 3BB+1BB is more irritating to your opponents.

Ugi 2 questions???

If you get 4 limpers do you raise 8xBB?
Do you do this consistently??

No, I would raise to 7BB (3+4).
Yes, otherwise it would be pointless.