6.5 stars- late game advice needed.

[crunny]

Raise or Push?
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Button (t5060)
Hero (t2800)
BB (t1805)
UTG (t1890)
MP (t1945)

Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
UTG calls t200, MP calls t200, 1 fold, Hero ??


Push or fold?
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BB (t4985)
Hero (t1285)
MP (t1430)
Button (t3605)
SB (t2195)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with , .
Hero ??

[sfustsh]

First hand, I actually prefer a simple call and shove any A high / J high or any flop with any potential (like 9TQ). At 6.5, a limp from UTG or MP is usually an indication of strength, 'not' weakness. Reads help a lot, does UTG limp a lot? If yes, it might be worth shoving. MP is not as important, because he's getting odds to call with almost ATC, actually.

Second hand, ugggh. ML has a better answer with SNGPT. My gut is fold, it's hard to shove through 4 people and your hand has very little showdown value.

[mewsiclovr]

First hand, call and see a flop, sure.

Easy fold second hand.

[ugignadl]

Push both. In the second you need to act while you still have some semblance of FE.

Would be interested to hear other opinions. I don't see how a call or raise is good in the first hand, with the limp and low M. On the second, you are about to lose all FE. Some calling ranges on the other people in the hand would be nice, but I guess you don't have that information, so NM.

[crunny]

I ended up pushing both hands.

The first i lost to 99, the second to AA.

Sfu & ML, for the second hand, what is the minimum you would push with?

Ugi, what is "low M"?[/quote]

[sfustsh]

I ended up pushing both hands.

The first i lost to 99, the second to AA.

Sfu & ML, for the second hand, what is the minimum you would push with?

Ugi, what is "low M"?

1 M = 1 BB + 1 SB. Usually we refer to number of BB here, as it's easier to understand. They mean the same thing, just remember 1.5 * BB = M.

These range sort of questions are ML's specialty, but I'd like to give a shot just to see how close I am to actual. I push 44+, A5s, A7o, KJs, KQo. That might be a little tight.

As for the first hand, Ugi, the problem is just a read I've picked up after playing X number of 6.5 SNGs. Unless he limps a lot like this he usually has a monster. I'm sort of surprised he called with nines, but it may be the "call with PP" instinct that many bad players have, even when they should be raising. I expected jacks or better.

[mewsiclovr]

Actually I really suck, I don't know why you keep referring to me.

[sfustsh]

Actually I really suck, I don't know why you keep referring to me.

Because every time we differ on opinions you bust out your SNGPT and show me up, so I'm just giving you the chance AND covering my ass =P

But seriously, do you know what the actual +EV push range is here?

[mewsiclovr]

That's when I bother to pull it out and play with ranges...I don't come up with this crap off the top of my head.

[mewsiclovr]

If I put BB and Button on the loosest range (22+,A2s+,A3o+,KTs+,KJo+,QJs) and everyone else on a tighter range (66+,ATs+,AJo+), then you are actually pushing very tight here...your optimal range is:

77+,AJo+,ATs+ (8%)

It is interesting to note that your range does not change AT ALL if you increase BB's range to 100%.

[mattaca]

Anyone just raise the first hand to 1000-1200 range?

Now I know I'm not an SNG guy, but this raise signals way more strength then an allin and you force your opponents to each make a call for over 50% of their stack. From the look of the way the 99 played this, he would have called and you get to see a flop before commiting anymore chips. You get the same bang for less buck.

Now feel free to roast me on this one.

[darinvg]

Grunch
Hand 1: push
Hand 2: fold

[crunny]

Anyone just raise the forst hand to 1000-1200 range?

Now I know I'm not an SNG guy, but this raise signals way more strength then an allin and you force your opponents to each make a call for over 50% of their stack. From the look of the way the 99 played this, he would have called and you get to see a flop before commiting anymore chips. You get the same bang for less buck.

Now feel free to roast me on this one.

Hmmm...i'm not to sure about this. The all-in has more FE than the 1000-1200 raise. And anyone that is going to call is almost always going to reraise all-in anyway.

[ugignadl]

M also includes antes multiplied by the number of players left.

None of us do the SNGPT stuff in our heads, just go with what we consider to be the best option.

[sfustsh]

Anyone just raise the forst hand to 1000-1200 range?

Now I know I'm not an SNG guy, but this raise signals way more strength then an allin and you force your opponents to each make a call for over 50% of their stack. From the look of the way the 99 played this, he would have called and you get to see a flop before commiting anymore chips. You get the same bang for less buck.

Now feel free to roast me on this one.

Maybe at a different table, but this is a 6.5, and I am always suspicious of an UTG limp at this buyin. Plus AJo might have to showdown 'two' hands, which doesn't make it much of a favorite.