Messing about with Johnny

[ugignadl]

Full Tilt Poker Game #...: Table Grand Canyon - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:43:01 ET - 2006/11/28
Seat 1: realworksuks ($41.25), is sitting out
Seat 2: J ($16.40)
Seat 3: ugignadl ($54.75)
Seat 4: JBLSU ($19.35)
Seat 5: Borocs ($9.60)
Seat 6: Herd of Turtles ($34.10)
Seat 7: NC_Redskin_Fan ($27.40)
Seat 8: rkteschner ($19.15)
Seat 9: Expertus ($13.80)
Herd of Turtles posts the small blind of $0.10
NC_Redskin_Fan posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ugignadl [:Kh: ]
rkteschner folds
Expertus folds
J folds
ugignadl raises to $0.75
JBLSU folds
Borocs folds
Herd of Turtles folds
NC_Redskin_Fan calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [:9s: ]
NC_Redskin_Fan checks
ugignadl bets $1.15
NC_Redskin_Fan calls $1.15
*** TURN *** [:9s: ] [:7c:]
NC_Redskin_Fan checks
ugignadl bets $2.30
NC_Redskin_Fan calls $2.30
*** RIVER *** [:9s: ] [:Jc:]
NC_Redskin_Fan checks
ugignadl .....

value bet? or check behind?

[kedoran]

You have to bet

[johnny]

Sorry man, I had to close all the windows. I'm playing like a donk and was upset after that one guy called my PFR with K9s then ended up doubling up on me. Then this just happened an another table so I just had to get away.

Full Tilt 0.10/0.25 NL Hold'em Ring (9 handed)

Starting Stacks
Seat 3: CO ($47.65)
Seat 4: Button ($27.15)
Seat 5: Small blind ($26)
Seat 6: Big blind ($30.10)
Seat 7: UTG (Hero) ($20.75)
Seat 8: UTG+1 ($45.50)
Seat 9: MP1 ($15.10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Ad, Ac.
Hero raises ($1), 2 folds, LP the (River), Jodine (folds), CO folds, Button folds, Small blind folds, Big blind folds

Flop: ($1.35) 7h 9d 10s (2 players)
Hero bets ($2), LP the (River)

Turn: ($3.35) Qd (3 players)
Hero bets ($5), LP the (River)

River: ($8.35) 5d (3 players)
Hero bets ($10), LP the (River), bet (of)

Final Pot: $34.1 ($1.75 rake)

Results below:
LP has (a flush, King high)
UTG has Ad Ac (a pair of Aces)
Outcome: LP wins $34.10

[johnny]

You're kicking their asses though! It's pretty impressive.

[ugignadl]

Ked --:> say you bet, then villain raises all-in, what's your move?

What does everyone else think?

Reads are that the guy is a passive weirdo.

Thanks Johnny. They were really nice tables. I quit when you did, since I was really playing 25NL just to check out your game. What were my stats like? No PT or anything for me at work.

[johnny]

I don't know what happend... I think maybe I was just intimidated a bit playing with a boardie. I slipped back into my old mistakes of donkey play and trying to buy a pot. However, with what they held, except for the guy smooth calling his 2 pair, they should have folded.


Gunna PM you the stats.

[johnny]

Here's my worst hand of the night... have at it.

His min-raise got me. It apparently wasn't a raise meant to gain info! He had teh nutz.
Full Tilt 0.10/0.25 NL Hold'em Ring (7 handed)

Starting Stacks
Seat 2: Big blind (Hero) ($26.20)
Seat 3: UTG ($55.10)
Seat 4: MP ($19.35)
Seat 5: LP ($10.20)
Seat 7: CO ($27.40)
Seat 8: Button ($9.70)
Seat 9: Small blind ($14.65)

Preflop: Hero is Big blind with 8d, 8s.
3 folds, of (Turtles), 1 fold, Button calls ($0.25), 1 fold, Hero raises ($0.75), Button calls ($0.50)

Flop: ($1.85) 9c 2d 5s (2 players)
Hero bets ($1.25), Button raises ($2.50), Hero raises ($7), Button calls ($4.50)

Turn: ($17.1) Th (4 players)
Hero bets ($2), Button calls ($1.95,), bet (of)

River: ($21.05) 7h (0 players)


Final Pot: $18.55 ($0.95 rake)

Results below:
Outcome: Button wins $18.55

[sfustsh]

He may not have had the nuts but he DID have the best hand. Minraise is a huge tell, I might let it go right there, and definitely trying to check this down if I don't.

Ugi, NL25? I thought your roll was bigger than that?

[ugignadl]

I would have made it at least $1 to go preflop. Don't sweat having me around, I wasn't there because I thought you were weak, it was more for the fun of it.

I remember this hand. The bet on the flop is fine, but I would have folded to the minraise from this guy... my notes are simply `weak/standard', so going by this I'd add `minraise cbet on unthreatening flop after pf limp/call --> watch' and wait for him to minraise again.

Even at 2/4 and 2/5 (last one I've only played live) the minraise is rampant... more often than not indicating a big hand, but always something to note. I actually like it when they do it, as it lets you learn more about their game quicker than if they didn't use it.

[johnny]

Oh I didn't think you came fishin! I just wanted to impress and got cute. Then I got out of there. It'll be better next time. I had been beating $25NL pretty soundly previously.

[kedoran]

Ked --:> say you bet, then villain raises all-in, what's your move?

What does everyone else think?

Reads are that the guy is a passive weirdo.

Thanks Johnny. They were really nice tables. I quit when you did, since I was really playing 25NL just to check out your game. What were my stats like? No PT or anything for me at work.

I would probably fold if he check/raise on river, would look like two pair.
I like a bigger preflop raise aswell, so that its easier to get it all in if you want too.

[mirage]

Have to bet that river, and fold to the c/r unless he's a maniac.

Only 3BB raise Ugi? I thought you raised more.

[randy72560]

I value bet there and he he raises all-in I might muck it, but only if I can put him on a straight or set. My guess is that he has TP here though. I'd have to have a strong read to call him all-in.. You really aren't getting a good price if he does move on you. There's really not much in the pot. Also, I would have raised more pre-flop.

[ugignadl]

Lots of questions.

SFU:-> I was playing 25NL to play with Johnny. It was fun. Didn't think it would help his game much to ask him to jump a few levels.

Ked:-> Yes, I would also fold to a reraise all-in.

Randy:-> I raise many hands preflop, close to 30% if I feel comfortable at the table. I always raise 3BB+1BB for each limper.

Mirage:-> When you raise as many hands as I do you like to keep the pressure on but still be able to induce folds. Earlier I liked to raise 4BB+1BB for each limper, however I think 3BB+1BB is more irritating to your opponents.

In the end I checked behind. It was a read dependent play. Good to hear that most people agree with the standard line as I see it.

Motivation for this thread was the thought that perhaps some people see the check behind here as standard.

[nlman]

Ked --:> say you bet, then villain raises all-in, what's your move?

What does everyone else think?

Reads are that the guy is a passive weirdo.

I would really hate to end up with an all-in decision here with nothing but a pair. I've been in those situations a few times and I don't want to get there again.

I'd just check behind a passive weirdo. Most likely he'll show something like JJ, but I'd rather win a small pot, showdown my KK for the future fold equity and wait for something better to raise the river with next time.