AK vs. QTs

[fifo]

Ola! How much of this is my own fault, how much just bad luck?

Game #3583248564: Hold'em FL ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/10/13 - 10:25:09 (ET)
Table "CastroUrdiales" Seat 8 is the button.
Seat 1: St. Louis ($9.75 in chips)
Seat 2: mnio1 ($6.10 in chips)
Seat 3: pretrel ($43.20 in chips)
Seat 4: Frann ($4.75 in chips)
Seat 5: dodoo ($19.72 in chips)
Seat 6: gaasen53 ($15.10 in chips)
Seat 7: Olegaris ($13.09 in chips)
Seat 8: Soso125 ($4 in chips)
Seat 9: dogger69 ($11.15 in chips)
Seat 10: drifterca ($17.10 in chips)
dogger69: posts small blind $0.15
drifterca: posts big blind $0.25
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to pretrel [Kd Ac]
St. Louis: folds
mnio1: calls $0.25
pretrel: raises $0.50
Frann: calls $0.50
dodoo: folds
gaasen53: folds
Olegaris: folds
Soso125: folds
dogger69: calls $0.35
drifterca: calls $0.25
mnio1: calls $0.25
----- FLOP ----- [Ks Ah 9c] (Pot $2,5)
dogger69: checks
drifterca: checks
mnio1: checks
pretrel: checks <- My feeble attemts at slowplaying. Of course I could and should have bet... The reason I tried this was that a few hands earlier I had AA and everyone just folded around to me. So I decided to try a different approach
Frann: bets $0.25
dogger69: calls $0.25
drifterca: calls $0.25 <- ... but then again, he calls . Since Frann folded on the turn, I doubt he would have raised me had I bet. So, it wouldn't have changed a lot in this particular hand...
mnio1: calls $0.25
pretrel: calls $0.25 ... and I could have raised here, but he'd definitely called this, right? The baby has fallen in the well already, so to speak...
----- TURN ----- [Ks Ah 9c][Jc] (Pot $4)
dogger69: checks
drifterca: bets $0.50
mnio1: calls $0.50
pretrel: raises $1 <- Now I thought it was time to cash in...
Frann: folds
dogger69: calls $1
drifterca: raises $1 ... and was rudely awakened...
mnio1: calls $1
pretrel: calls $0.50
dogger69: calls $0.50
----- RIVER ----- [Ks Ah 9c Jc][2s] (Pot $9,5)
dogger69: checks
drifterca: bets $0.50
mnio1: folds
pretrel: calls $0.50 ... but still - would you let this pot go at this stage?
badlose joins the table at seat #1
dogger69: calls $0.50
----- SHOW DOWN -----
drifterca: shows [Th Qh] (A Straight, Ace high)
pretrel: mucks hand [Kd Ac]
dogger69: mucks hand [3c Qs]
drifterca collects $10.70 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $11.25 Main pot $10.70 Rake $0.55
Board [Ks Ah 9c Jc 2s]
Seat 2: mnio1 folded on the River
Seat 3: pretrel mucked [Kd Ac]
Seat 4: Frann folded on the Turn
Seat 5: dodoo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: gaasen53 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Olegaris folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Soso125 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: dogger69 (small blind) mucked [3c Qs]
Seat 10: drifterca (big blind) showed [Th Qh] and won ($10.70) with A Straight, Ace high

[sfustsh]

Wow raise raise raise raise raise the flop.

Did I say raise? I meant raise raise raise raise raise just because that J is a card you DON'T want to see.

Take this as a rule of thumb. 5 people in the pot, guarenteed someone has got two high cards and ANY other high card is cause for alarm. There absolutely 100% must beyond-any-doubt be a GSSD out there.

As played shut down when the J hits.

[fifo]

In that same neighbourhood...

Game #3591021184: Hold'em FL ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/10/13 - 18:13:35 (ET)
Table "Goldfinger" Seat 1 is the button.
Seat 1: Patch01 ($4.50 in chips)
Seat 2: totog ($26.20 in chips)
Seat 3: pretrel ($33.10 in chips)
Seat 4: rabbit11 ($24.60 in chips)
Seat 5: iralmata ($3.97 in chips)
Seat 6: Jimmyj007 ($19.67 in chips)
Seat 7: Fatlez92 ($16.41 in chips)
Seat 8: WildBit ($4.43 in chips)
Seat 9: Expresso ($9 in chips)
Seat 10: Thespike ($15.85 in chips)
totog: posts small blind $0.15
pretrel: posts big blind $0.25
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to pretrel [Qd Jc]
rabbit11: calls $0.25
iralmata: folds
Jimmyj007: folds
Fatlez92: calls $0.25
WildBit: folds
Expresso: calls $0.25
Thespike: calls $0.25
Patch01: calls $0.25
totog: calls $0.10
pretrel: checks
----- FLOP ----- [3h Td Qs]
totog: checks
pretrel: bets $0.25
rabbit11: calls $0.25
Fatlez92: folds
Expresso: folds
Thespike: raises $0.50
Patch01: folds
totog: folds
pretrel: calls $0.25
rabbit11: folds
----- TURN ----- [3h Td Qs][Js]
pretrel: checks
Thespike: bets $0.50
pretrel: calls $0.50
----- RIVER ----- [3h Td Qs Js][8s]
pretrel: checks
Thespike: bets $0.50
pretrel: calls $0.50
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Thespike: shows [Kc Qc] (A Pair of Queens, King high)
pretrel: shows [Qd Jc] (Two Pairs, Queens and Jacks, Ten high)
pretrel collects $4.75 from Main pot

I guess this was better? Wouldn't I have found the J on the turn, I probably would have folded. Though the J brought the danger of a straight. So cheap cruising afterwards...

And just two hands later or so...

------HAND 73------
Game #3591185844: Hold'em FL ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/10/13 - 18:21:36 (ET)
Table "Goldfinger" Seat 7 is the button.
Seat 1: Patch01 ($9.30 in chips)
Seat 2: totog ($25.70 in chips)
Seat 3: pretrel ($35.70 in chips)
Seat 4: rabbit11 ($23.20 in chips)
Seat 5: iralmata ($5.97 in chips)
Seat 6: Jimmyj007 ($14.92 in chips)
Seat 7: Fatlez92 ($21.11 in chips)
Seat 8: WildBit ($3.08 in chips)
Seat 9: Expresso ($8.75 in chips)
Seat 10: Thespike ($13.85 in chips)
WildBit: posts small blind $0.15
Expresso: posts big blind $0.25
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to pretrel [Qd Kd]
Thespike: folds
Patch01: calls $0.25
totog: folds
pretrel: calls $0.25
rabbit11: folds
iralmata: folds
Jimmyj007: calls $0.25
Fatlez92: calls $0.25
WildBit: calls $0.10
Expresso: checks
----- FLOP ----- [5d Qs Jc]
WildBit: checks
Expresso: checks
Patch01: bets $0.25
pretrel: calls $0.25
Jimmyj007: calls $0.25
Fatlez92: calls $0.25
WildBit: calls $0.25
Expresso: folds
----- TURN ----- [5d Qs Jc][9s]
WildBit: checks
Patch01: bets $0.50
pretrel: calls $0.50
Jimmyj007: folds
Jimmyj007 sits out
Fatlez92: calls $0.50
WildBit: calls $0.50
----- RIVER ----- [5d Qs Jc 9s][6h]
WildBit: checks
Patch01: checks
pretrel: checks
Fatlez92: checks
----- SHOW DOWN -----
WildBit: shows [7h Qh] (A Pair of Queens, Jack high)
Patch01: mucks hand [Qc Td]
pretrel: shows [Qd Kd] (A Pair of Queens, King high)
Fatlez92: mucks hand [8s Kh]
pretrel collects $4.55 from Main pot

This time I had a better kicker, but, again, there were those straight possibilities...

Oh, and, sfustsh, "As played shut down when the J hits." Fold? With top two pair? Or just calling down?

[sfustsh]

A straight? From what, K9 or AK?

I will bet my house he doesn't have either of those.

You can't shutdown every time there's a 3 straight on the board, especially if there's a gap.

[sfustsh]

Opps forgot to answer your question about the other hand.

Top two pair might as well be a set of aces in this position. It's about relative hand strength. You're afraid of the straight, not someone spiking a set or something. Call it down but try to keep it under control on the dangerous board.