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JJ, mid-tourney, reraised allin twice
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JJ, mid-tourney, reraised allin twice
by mattaca » Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:32 pm
Just wondering what your thoughts are on this one. No real reads except that Offspring seems pretty solid.
PokerStars Game #6578344977: Tournament #33277195, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2006/10/09 - 20:23:47 (ET)
Table '33277195 58' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: gangly joker (4925 in chips)
Seat 2: hingham10 (13257 in chips)
Seat 3: Offspring823 (24900 in chips)
Seat 4: phinster (9140 in chips)
Seat 5: ozzieowen (18360 in chips)
Seat 6: fishamon (16925 in chips)
Seat 7: BAGSIK829 (26920 in chips)
Seat 8: BeL0WaB0Ve (47870 in chips)
Seat 9: moondawg96 (28427 in chips)
gangly joker: posts the ante 25
hingham10: posts the ante 25
Offspring823: posts the ante 25
phinster: posts the ante 25
ozzieowen: posts the ante 25
fishamon: posts the ante 25
BAGSIK829: posts the ante 25
BeL0WaB0Ve: posts the ante 25
moondawg96: posts the ante 25
fishamon: posts small blind 200
BAGSIK829: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to gangly joker [Jd Js]
BeL0WaB0Ve: folds
moondawg96: folds
gangly joker: raises 1200 to 1600
hingham10: raises 11632 to 13232 and is all-in
Offspring823: raises 11643 to 24875 and is all-in
phinster: folds
ozzieowen: folds
fishamon: folds
BAGSIK829: folds
gangly joker: ??
PokerStars Game #6578344977: Tournament #33277195, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2006/10/09 - 20:23:47 (ET)
Table '33277195 58' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: gangly joker (4925 in chips)
Seat 2: hingham10 (13257 in chips)
Seat 3: Offspring823 (24900 in chips)
Seat 4: phinster (9140 in chips)
Seat 5: ozzieowen (18360 in chips)
Seat 6: fishamon (16925 in chips)
Seat 7: BAGSIK829 (26920 in chips)
Seat 8: BeL0WaB0Ve (47870 in chips)
Seat 9: moondawg96 (28427 in chips)
gangly joker: posts the ante 25
hingham10: posts the ante 25
Offspring823: posts the ante 25
phinster: posts the ante 25
ozzieowen: posts the ante 25
fishamon: posts the ante 25
BAGSIK829: posts the ante 25
BeL0WaB0Ve: posts the ante 25
moondawg96: posts the ante 25
fishamon: posts small blind 200
BAGSIK829: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to gangly joker [Jd Js]
BeL0WaB0Ve: folds
moondawg96: folds
gangly joker: raises 1200 to 1600
hingham10: raises 11632 to 13232 and is all-in
Offspring823: raises 11643 to 24875 and is all-in
phinster: folds
ozzieowen: folds
fishamon: folds
BAGSIK829: folds
gangly joker: ??
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by sfustsh » Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:21 pm
Against two calls? Live to fight another day... Much less than 50% to win with two callers with overcards, and there's a good chance you're up against QQ - AA.
Even though you're stack is dwindling, I don't think I can put my money here, though I'm sure others will feel otherwise.
Even though you're stack is dwindling, I don't think I can put my money here, though I'm sure others will feel otherwise.
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by darkdenim » Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:33 am
You don't have a lot of chips to play with. I would make the call instead of waiting for the blinds to eat up my stack. You might be up against AK & AQ here so I don't see how you can lay this down.
Pot odds also say you should call
Pot odds also say you should call
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by mattaca » Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:31 pm
Again, another hand to try and spark some interest in this section.
With this one I felt a 4x raise would be strong enough to take it down if no one had a hand but and would let me re-evaluate depending on their play/ seeing the flop. An open push isn't really doing anything more than my raise if one of them has a big hand. I know a fold would leave me short-stacked but thats better than not being in it at all.
FWIW when the first guy pushed I was ready to make the call but the second allin scared me enough to fold it. I honestly just couldn't find a situation where I was ahead as these two were both putting their tourney lives (or close to it) on the line when it would be unecessary to do so. Anyway, first allin raise shows KJo and the second AKo. My JJ would have held up.
I still think I play that differently becuase I don't like putting chips in "hoping and praying" that I have the best hand and without solid reads on either of these guys, thats what I would have been doing.
With this one I felt a 4x raise would be strong enough to take it down if no one had a hand but and would let me re-evaluate depending on their play/ seeing the flop. An open push isn't really doing anything more than my raise if one of them has a big hand. I know a fold would leave me short-stacked but thats better than not being in it at all.
FWIW when the first guy pushed I was ready to make the call but the second allin scared me enough to fold it. I honestly just couldn't find a situation where I was ahead as these two were both putting their tourney lives (or close to it) on the line when it would be unecessary to do so. Anyway, first allin raise shows KJo and the second AKo. My JJ would have held up.
I still think I play that differently becuase I don't like putting chips in "hoping and praying" that I have the best hand and without solid reads on either of these guys, thats what I would have been doing.
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by ugignadl » Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:31 am
Sure, against overcards like (AK, AK) or (AK, AQ) you have craploads of equity, so a call is instant. Against even one overpair you are a massive dog, whereas if they have one underpair or a dominated hand then you are good again.
I would play it as an open push, which could be read as a steal and one you want people to call.
I would play it as an open push, which could be read as a steal and one you want people to call.
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