Tourney donk making way into cash games

[Linuxrocks]

Here I come

Yes, small sample, but I am still proud of it.

I had to presist with that downswing in the first 1K hands as I was making many stupid mistakes. I am amazed at the depth of NL theory and fortunately I don't have to learn it completely to beat 50 NL 6-max.

[scottie_g]

Yea, cash games are different than tourneys because they require POST FLOP SKILLZ. Turn and River play is much different in a cash game. Also.. reads, changing gears, adjusting to diff playing styles, and pyschology become very important.

[goofyballer]

Nice run Keep in mind for the future that the first rule of NL graphs is that you graph in $$$, not big bets It's what makes us better than the limidonks.

[Linuxrocks]

Nice run Keep in mind for the future that the first rule of NL graphs is that you graph in $$$, not big bets It's what makes us better than the limidonks.

Ha ha, btw for my stakes (0.25/0.5) big bets and dollars are the same.

[scottie_g]

I've seen some of your posts on 2+2, you are a min-raising donkey.

Also, I think it's funny that both you and Faq followed my wisdom and switched over from LOL DONKAMENTS to cash games.

[Linuxrocks]

I've seen some of your posts on 2+2, you are a min-raising donkey.

Ha ha, take my money baby when I min-raise. Don't fall into the trap of blindly thinking that "min-raise is evil". It has its uses, and if you don't know how to use it, may be you shouldn't.

Also, I think it's funny that both you and Faq followed my wisdom and switched over from LOL DONKAMENTS to cash games.

Cash games are cool and my reason for playing them is to improve my NL theory and then take that to MTTs. It's all goooooood.

[goofyballer]

You're varlog on 2+2, right? There's some guy named linuxrocks with a penguin avatar and it always confuses me.

[scottie_g]

You're varlog on 2+2, right? There's some guy named linuxrocks with a penguin avatar and it always confuses me.

I thought PP = linuxrocks ?

If not, I take back the min-raising statement.

[scottie_g]

I've seen some of your posts on 2+2, you are a min-raising donkey.

Ha ha, take my money baby when I min-raise. Don't fall into the trap of blindly thinking that "min-raise is evil". It has its uses, and if you don't know how to use it, may be you shouldn't.

Also, I think it's funny that both you and Faq followed my wisdom and switched over from LOL DONKAMENTS to cash games.

Cash games are cool and my reason for playing them is to improve my NL theory and then take that to MTTs. It's all goooooood.

The min-raise can be usefull in very specific situations against certain villains. IMO, its a huge tell in most cases, not to mention it is giving villain odds to call a plethera of drawing hands. If its a dry board and you just want to build pot, fine, but I think a min-raise in that spot is a huge tell most of the time. FWIW, if I see someone min-raise, I always make a note of when he does it (board texture, position, etc) and how often.

I'm guessing that was you on the "22 played as KK" thread on 2+2. OP makes a min-raise with 22 on an overcard board as a bluff. Now, it was determined that villain would fold whiffed hands like AK. But... so what?? Great, you folded out a hand that you are killing anyway. There's a small chance that villain folds an underpair (88-JJ) in that spot, but most villains won't... and correctly so imo. Then you have a tough decision with your 22... do you push the turn? or try to see a showdown?

I liked the post tho, and it may be worth it to try something tricky like this against a TAG. Against avg. retard.. it's -EV.

As far as min-raising a set on a dry board... I really don't think thats the best line to get it AI as quickly as possible. Either RR standard size or flat call in position and bet/RR the turn, or if OOP... c/c flop, and c/r turn, or just lead the flop and the turn. I like just leading my sets like a standard c-bet. Also, since I'm usually the one pushing the action preflop, people usually check to me when im in position, and i just bet my set... again just like a normal c-bet.

[Linuxrocks]

You're varlog on 2+2, right? There's some guy named linuxrocks with a penguin avatar and it always confuses me.

I thought PP = linuxrocks ?

If not, I take back the min-raising statement.

Yep, PP = linuxrocks (varlog)

I got the sn changed from varlog to linuxrocks. It's the same account and it's me !, just a screenname change.

[Linuxrocks]

The min-raise can be usefull in very specific situations against certain villains. IMO, its a huge tell in most cases, not to mention it is giving villain odds to call a plethera of drawing hands. If its a dry board and you just want to build pot, fine, but I think a min-raise in that spot is a huge tell most of the time. FWIW, if I see someone min-raise, I always make a note of when he does it (board texture, position, etc) and how often.

1. Ok, tell me, you got a tell. What do you put a person on when someone min-raises ? It's as good as any other raise. I sometimes min-raise with trips and sometimes with top pair and sometimes with nothing.

2. Everyone seems to be confused about giving odds to drawing hands. In a re-raised pot, there aren't many hands that are actually drawing. It's about ranges and percentages. The range of hands and the percentage of times they have a drawing hand in a re-raised pot is small.

I'm guessing that was you on the "22 played as KK" thread on 2+2. OP makes a min-raise with 22 on an overcard board as a bluff. Now, it was determined that villain would fold whiffed hands like AK. But... so what?? Great, you folded out a hand that you are killing anyway. There's a small chance that villain folds an underpair (88-JJ) in that spot, but most villains won't... and correctly so imo. Then you have a tough decision with your 22... do you push the turn? or try to see a showdown?

I might fold 88-JJ, though I mostly won't. BUT, the min-raise freezes the opponents and makes them check it through. So, we can have something like JJ and make this play and get a free show down. How cool is that ?

And, if he has anything other than QQ+, he will be cautious. A KQ will actually will not bet again at all until the river.

We gain a lot by the min-raise. Of course, a normal raise can do different things not necessarily better things.

I liked the post tho, and it may be worth it to try something tricky like this against a TAG. Against avg. retard.. it's -EV.

As far as min-raising a set on a dry board... I really don't think thats the best line to get it AI as quickly as possible. Either RR standard size or flat call in position and bet/RR the turn, or if OOP... c/c flop, and c/r turn, or just lead the flop and the turn. I like just leading my sets like a standard c-bet. Also, since I'm usually the one pushing the action preflop, people usually check to me when im in position, and i just bet my set... again just like a normal c-bet.

Try it one time and see what happens. One of teh good things is that a lot of marginal hands will call when they don't really have the odds. I really don't want to get into the details of getting the most money in. There are million ways to do that and all you have to do it (partillay) correctly determine what your opponent might have.