some fun hands at NL200

[bram]

hey,

I'm back at NL200 after I decided to cash out 10k and quit my job and plan my travel and grind out some easy money while i decide where I want to go etc, these 2 hands happened back to back, love it when you put someone on tilt then get aces

***** Pacific Hand History for Game 11150201 *****
$1/$2 Blinds No Limit Hold'em - *** 08 06 19:48:37 2006
Table Bohemian Black - Maduro (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: bram22 ( $220.68 )
Seat 4: Metlica ( $62.55 )
Seat 5: TRUC114 ( $157.15 )
Seat 6: ltse76 ( $197 )
Seat 7: ktholdem ( $478.05 )
Seat 9: MarineE7 ( $592.4 )
bram22 posts small blind [$1].
Metlica posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to bram22 [ 7s 5s ]
TRUC114 calls [$2].
ltse76 folds.
ktholdem folds.
MarineE7 folds.
bram22 calls [$1].
Metlica checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5h, 7d, 5d ]
bram22 checks.
Metlica checks.
TRUC114 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4s ]
bram22 bets [$4].
Metlica calls [$4].
TRUC114 calls [$4].
** Dealing River ** [ 4h ]
bram22 bets [$20].
Metlica folds.
TRUC114 raises [$151.15].
bram22 calls [$131.15].
** Summary **
bram22 shows [ 7s 5s ].
TRUC114 shows [ 4d 8h ].
TRUC114 shows [ 4d 8h ].
bram22 shows [ 7s 5s ].
bram22 collected [$316.3].


VERY NEXT HAND

***** Pacific Hand History for Game 11150246 *****
$1/$2 Blinds No Limit Hold'em - *** 08 06 19:49:36 2006
Table Bohemian Black - Maduro (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: bram22 ( $379.83 )
Seat 4: Metlica ( $56.55 )
Seat 5: TRUC114 ( $200 )
Seat 6: ltse76 ( $197 )
Seat 7: ktholdem ( $478.05 )
Seat 9: MarineE7 ( $592.4 )
Metlica posts small blind [$1].
TRUC114 posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to bram22 [ Ah Ac ]
ltse76 folds.
ktholdem folds.
MarineE7 calls [$2].
bram22 raises [$8].
Metlica calls [$7].
TRUC114 raises [$198].
MarineE7 folds.
bram22 calls [$192].
Metlica folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4c, Qh, 7d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3h ]
** Dealing River ** [ 7c ]
** Summary **
bram22 shows [ Ah Ac ].
TRUC114 shows [ 3s 9d ].
bram22 shows [ Ah Ac ].
bram22 collected [$406].

love it! on a serious note I made a tough fold against this guy with no read, I saw him donk it up a few hands later but still think this is a good fold, thoughts? I probably should have raised the flop to 40 but I thought I could get more money out of the 2 villians when original better bet the turn, but they both checked


**** Pacific Hand History for Game 57160140 *****
$1/$2 Blinds No Limit Hold'em - *** 08 07 18:37:04 2006
Table Mudslinger (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: CoachK61 ( $91.91 )
Seat 4: bram22 ( $257 )
Seat 6: leetamae ( $90.65 )
Seat 7: wpfish ( $151.48 )
Seat 8: kntroyal ( $107.64 )
Seat 9: aapockt ( $160.45 )
leetamae posts small blind [$1].
wpfish posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to bram22 [ 10d Jd ]
kntroyal raises [$7].
aapockt calls [$7].
CoachK61 folds.
bram22 calls [$7].
leetamae folds.
wpfish folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Js, 10h, 4d ]
kntroyal bets [$10].
aapockt calls [$10].
bram22 calls [$10].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6c ]
kntroyal checks.
aapockt checks.
bram22 bets [$30].
kntroyal calls [$30].
aapockt calls [$30].
** Dealing River ** [ 4h ]
kntroyal checks.
aapockt bets [$113.45].
bram22 folds.
kntroyal folds.
** Summary **
aapockt collected [$253.45].

I'm thinking at least 3 of a kind and more likely a fh

[easy_as_pie]

nice hands....i agree with the fold

[ugignadl]

It's hard, that all-in isn't really that big. But I agree with the fold, since the river card totally sucks.

[bram]

yeah even a poorly played AA-QQ is ahead of me here

[neverthink]

Have to defend that hand on the flop, there's a bunch of cards that could fall to ruin your hand. Folding the river I'm not sure about, could either of these really hold a four? They'd have to show me, and a FH means that all Tens and Jacks are out which doesn't happen enough to make me fear it. Marginal whatever, but given you got to the river and there is decent chance you hold the winner I'd call it.

[ugignadl]

Have to defend that hand on the flop, there's a bunch of cards that could fall to ruin your hand. Folding the river I'm not sure about, could either of these really hold a four? They'd have to show me, and a FH means that all Tens and Jacks are out which doesn't happen enough to make me fear it. Marginal whatever, but given you got to the river and there is decent chance you hold the winner I'd call it.

Villain does not need to be holding a four.

[neverthink]

Sry, wrote that late last night and didnt even think about the counterfeit of your hand, yes fold river is ok, but I think you had the best hand on flop and turn. And no, villain doesn't have to be holding a four, but he does need to be holding precisely two sixes. The only way Bram could fear 3 of a kind is with a four anyway, otherwise he is full, which i don't think he is.

[ugignadl]

Huh? Villain does not need two 6s either. Bram mentioned the most likely case in his post above.

[mrhat187]

Looks like a weakly played big pair to me as well, good fold.......bad river. Anything but a paired board I think your in the clear.

[neverthink]

Ug, for 3 of a kind, villain must be holding a 4, it is the only trips on the board. If villain has a full house, from trips on the flop which is a lot more likely than trip fours, then he must have a pair of tens or jacks in the hole. Now given that Bram knows where two of each are, I consider it very unlikely that villain holds the remaining two tens or jacks, and so because of this, I wouldn't fold fearing those FHs. So, unless he has spiked trips on the turn with sixes, I think Bram has the best hand on flop and turn. Sorry if I wasn't totally clear in previous posts. Though it is a very unusual way to play an overpair, shoving the river like that, after bet check/calling. That's what makes me think it may be a busted draw like KQ. Continuation bets flop, then check/calls turn with reasonable odds, decides to bluff all in to win a big pot with nothing. What does he expect a call from on this board by moving all in? So there is decent enough chance that this is no value bet.

Hat, how on earth is this a weakly played big pair? All in on the river is very strong.

[ugignadl]

Neverthink. I don't want to make you look like an idiot. I tried not to.

But Bram loses to any overpair here. As already said. That is why he doesn't need to have a 4.

[neverthink]

Ug, I gave my answer to Bram based upon what he said he feared, which was a full house or at least trips. Look at the bottom of his post please. If villain has trips, he MUST hold a four, it is the only trips on the board, and he can almost never hold this. First fear dispelled. Second suspicion of Brams was the full house, but that would mean all tens and jacks in the deck out, or he spiked a six on the turn, which is too unlikely imo to warrant a fold. Yes, he is of course behind an overpair now, on the river, but I was stressing that he had the best hand on the FLOP and TURN almost all of the time. Please read through posts properly before you start trying to humiliate other posters.

[ugignadl]

I'm not humiliating you, but the more likely scenario is the poorly played overpair. Analysis on a 4 is a waste of time.

[scottie_g]

So... how are the games on pacific?

[neverthink]

I'm not humiliating you, but the more likely scenario is the poorly played overpair. Analysis on a 4 is a waste of time.

Rarely is this an overpair imo, more often it's the nuts (close to) or air. Analysis over the possibility of him having a four, meaning 3 of a kind, is utterly nonsensical, agreed.