everyone else go for broke here?

[clivehamilton]

so i did the stupid thing and played well outside my roll. my usual game is 100nl, played pretty solid so i decide to jump up for a few hours. got hot early, then this happened.....

#Game No : 4931947338
***** Hand History for Game 4931947338 *****
$400 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, August 12, 09:56:06 ET 2006
Table Monster #1286169 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: sykes40 ( $570.76 )
Seat 5: beer352 ( $585.65 )
Seat 3: PJT35 ( $282.80 )
Seat 4: El_Neko ( $453.60 )
Seat 2: WhiteDeck ( $389.20 )
Seat 6: yes_please ( $438.50 )
WhiteDeck posts small blind [$2].
PJT35 posts big blind [$4].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to beer352 [ 9d Kd ] table is relatively weak, figure i can get paid off if i hit as i had earlier
sykes40: you must have known you were beat
El_Neko folds.
beer352 raises [$14].
yes_please folds.
sykes40 folds.
WhiteDeck calls [$12].
PJT35 calls [$10].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, 6c, 8s ]
WhiteDeck checks.
PJT35 checks.
beer352 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7d ]
WhiteDeck bets [$25].
PJT35 calls [$25].
beer352 calls [$25]. should i have raised here?? was not scared of a 5 at all and didn't think anyone had a hand at this point
** Dealing River ** [ Jd ]
WhiteDeck bets [$85].
PJT35 calls [$85].
beer352 raises [$200]. NO NO NO NO NO!
WhiteDeck is all-In [$265.20]
PJT35 folds.
beer352 calls [$150.20].
beer352 shows [ 9d, Kd ] a flush, king high.
WhiteDeck shows [ Ad, Qd ] a flush, ace high.
The time at which hand ended:Aug 12 2006 09:57 ET
WhiteDeck wins $898.90 from the main pot with a flush, ace high with ace kicker.


i feel like i make this call damn near 100% of the time and am good probably 90%. i learned a hard lesson and have to start back at the beginning.....[/b]

[bram]

hell you moved up quick!

dump it preflop until you are comfortable playing at this limit, I have also learnt the hard way

back to NL100 my friend

[mrhat187]

If you are going to bet those cards preflop, you gotta make the continuation bet on the flop, I think you then take down that pot no problem. But once you let them in and hit your hand, yeah it was over . At the very least you would have isolated the game between you and PJT and you probably would have gotten the turn for free. Then you would have won big on the river with PJT whatever he had, probably 2 pair.

[blatman25]

Whoa man!

I can see taking shots at a higher level, but from 100 to 400???

What the hell happened to 200??

Take it a little slower next time.

[neverthink]

If you are going to bet those cards preflop, you gotta make the continuation bet on the flop, I think you then take down that pot no problem. But once you let them in and hit your hand, yeah it was over . At the very least you would have isolated the game between you and PJT and you probably would have gotten the turn for free. Then you would have won big on the river with PJT whatever he had, probably 2 pair.

I'd almost never continuation bet that flop. I go broke as well, but I fold preflop though.

[easy_as_pie]

why wouldn't you c-bet that flop?

anyone like just calling river besides me?

[mrhat187]

I agree with pie why wouldn't you cbet that flop? Looks like a great one to cbet. If they have a weak hand they will probably give it up......if they have a monster, you probably get the turn for free as they want more action.

[bigdil511]

why wouldn't you c-bet that flop?

anyone like just calling river besides me?

Easy c-bet, probably calling the river as well.

[cavman]

definitely gotta raise the river. you'll run into the nut flush occasionally, but a lot of worse hands will call. A lower flush pretty much never folds. also, the flush was backdoor so it's disguised. I think anyone saying to calling the river is either being results oriented or missing out on a lot of value.

[neverthink]

I agree with pie why wouldn't you cbet that flop? Looks like a great one to cbet. If they have a weak hand they will probably give it up......if they have a monster, you probably get the turn for free as they want more action.

No problem with betting it, just personally I don't make it a standard to bet all flops when they fall 8 or 9 high. If you are unpaired, which is likely, then you have missed just as they have and they know it, so you are being asked to be raised off, possibly, the winning hand. Of course, it's circumstantial, but I don't make a habit of cbetting 90 percent of flops after I raise pre. Swings and roundabouts, a regular cbetter will get more action on overpairs, while the opposite will have a greater percentage of cbets folded to. I also like to double barrell and don't feel comfortable doing that on a flop such as this, so I restrict myself a little.

[ugignadl]

A cbet on that flop is 100% required if you are going to raise PF with that trash.

[clivehamilton]

thanks all for the help/advice

i'm gonna take a break for a few weeks to think about what ive done (tail between my legs, fourth grader style)

when i come back, watch for the posts in the low stakes nl haha

[kedoran]

I dont think cbetting every time like this is profitable, two other opponents and you have no real draws etc. Would do it often but people start beeing tricky/stupid up at nl400 so I take it easy sometimes. Ill still do it alot though but saying you should do it 100% of the time is wrong.

[goofyballer]

definitely gotta raise the river. you'll run into the nut flush occasionally, but a lot of worse hands will call. A lower flush pretty much never folds. also, the flush was backdoor so it's disguised. I think anyone saying to calling the river is either being results oriented or missing out on a lot of value.

agree 100%, calling with 2nd nuts? wtf is wrong with you guys