2-4 6max, AK misses flop

[goofyballer]

I am not Hero. Comments on all streets.

Party Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
5 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (10SB, 3 players)
SB bets, UTG raises, Hero calls, SB 3-bets, UTG caps, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: (11BB, 3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, SB raises, UTG folds, Hero calls.

River: (16BB, 2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 18BB

[velar]

Assuming normal to Good Party players, here are my thoughts:

PF

1. UTG Raises - Any PP, AK, AQ, AJ, AT, KQ, QJ..includes sooted variants.

2. Hero 3-bets - good move.

3. SB calls - AK, AQ, TT, JJ, QQ. I figure KK reraises even against 2 opponents, but QQ might not.

4. UTG calls with anything to see a flop, but he didn't cap so no AA or KK.

Flop

1. SB calls PF and leads out on this low flop. Must be TT, JJ, QQ, right?

2. UTG - may have set, may have Kd Qd, may have higher PP.

3. Hero FOLDS.

4. SB - I'd 3-bet with the high PP. I don't think he has 44 or 33 because that would be a wrong PF call. 88 would check raise against known aggressive UTG and Hero.

5. Why is Hero in this still? GTFO!

Turn

1. SB check = TT, JJ, QQ or...KK, even though I figured he'd reraise with it PF.

2. Hero calls??? Ok...you stay in and hit your card and now you get timid?

3. SB raises = KK or 88 looking good here.

I do not put SB on the flush draw as he wouldn't 3-bet the flop and raise the turn.

So that's it. I vote 88 with an off-chance of KK and I think Hero deserves to lose.

[biggle10]

Hero is fine preflop. Hero should fold flop. I think hero has 3 outs at best.

[sean_connery]

I'm a bit of a rookie at limit (not to mention 6 max), but I'll chime in anyways:

I think this is quite read dependant. SB cold-calls 2 bets PreFlop. What are your reads on the hands he might do this with? Do they include hands with 2 suits or suited connectors or any two? This leads to when he bets into 2 raisers on the flop, what is your read? Is betting a draw a possiblity? How about if he paired on the flop?

If SB is a pretty loose player and you think you have two live overcards, then you may be able to justify the call on the flop (6:1 pot odds) via the fact you also have a gutshot nut flush draw (although probably not). Given that line of reasoning, I guess you've gotta raise the turn. If the SB is on a flush draw then your double bet may scare him off...

If SB is a tight player, I fold on the flop........ UTG looks like 99-QQ pretty definitively.

So looking back at my respone, I think I essentially agree with Velar's take on this so maybe I should have written:

"Ditto on Velar's analysis"

[velar]

So???? What are the hands GB? Doesn't look like anybody else is going to comment.

[goofyballer]

Hero is Mousey and he lost to .

[velar]

OMG BAD BEAT

And here I was assuming SB was a decent player. I should edit my line about "I don't think SB is on a flush draw". Gave him too much credit.

[goofyballer]

We were discussing it on AIM and Mousey was trying to use this as an example of a bad beat and thus why he can't win at 2/4 6max; I looked at it and thought that he played it pretty horribly. He was like "WTF, ARE YOU JUST GONNA FOLD EVERY TIME ONE OF THESE 6MAX DONKS BETS AT YOU? OBV YOU ARE WEAK TIGHT AND WOULD GET KILLED IN THIS GAME" when he was an 8:1 dog and I thought it was a pretty easy fold.

[scottie_g]

Seems like a straightforward fold on the flop. A bet and a raise and hero calls with AK here? No good.

[alanpsych]

You can't have it both ways. Your opponents being super donks means that a rag flop just might have hit them. Otherwise, they capped with a pair, which also has you beat. It seems like a case of not being able to let go of a pre-flop monster that has turned into A high after the flop. If you're heads up against a non-folder, you might hope for your A high to win UI, but the flop isn't going to miss both your opponents often enough.

Fold the flop.