ATs hand...

[scottie_g]

Villian is 30/10/5 over 45 hands


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (5 handed) TightPoker converter

MP ($151.69)
Button ($102.80)
Hero ($127.85)
BB ($98.35)
UTG ($121.60)

Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
2 folds, Button raises to $3, Hero calls $2.50, 1 fold.

Flop: ($7) , , (2 players)
Hero bets $5, Button raises to $10, Hero raises to $30.38, Button calls $20.38.

Turn: ($67.76) (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($67.76) (2 players)
Hero bets $23.43, Button calls $69.42 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $160.61

[goofyballer]

Ugh, what an ugly spot. I might RR preflop if button is steal-happy but it's marginal.

Just call the flop. Once you 3-bet I think you pretty much have to pot the turn. This is a really bad spot to create a huge pot OOP. You might let him hit some kind of drawing hand by playing more passively but I think that's preferrable to putting in 1/4 of your stack and then giving up a free card on the turn when there's a bazillion cards that make your life really difficult on the river.

[kedoran]

I fold preflop.
I check call it down as im weak and hes uber aggresive, if he decide to check Ill bet out next street.

[scottie_g]

I fold preflop.
I check call it down as im weak and hes uber aggresive, if he decide to check Ill bet out next street.

You fold ATs on the button in a 6 handed game?

[goofyballer]

You fold ATs in the SB in a 6 handed game?

I don't think that's so bad, since you're out of position.

[scottie_g]

You fold ATs in the SB in a 6 handed game?

I don't think that's so bad, since you're out of position.

Oh, yea. I am. I guess a fold is an option there.

[kedoran]

Makes me uncomfortable. I fold Ajo here most of the time aswell.

[ugignadl]

I'd at least see a flop, especially if I have a handle on my opponents.

[scottie_g]

Ugh, what an ugly spot. I might RR preflop if button is steal-happy but it's marginal.

Just call the flop. Once you 3-bet I think you pretty much have to pot the turn. This is a really bad spot to create a huge pot OOP. You might let him hit some kind of drawing hand by playing more passively but I think that's preferrable to putting in 1/4 of your stack and then giving up a free card on the turn when there's a bazillion cards that make your life really difficult on the river.

Yea, a call afer the raise might be a good idea. I am OOP and it's not a good idea to commit a lot of chips here. I've seen people min raise with crap with middle pair though. If I had to do it again, I would probably flat call the raise, and lead the turn. If he calls or raises the turn, I'm probably in trouble..

[aj]

I actually think this is a great hand for discussion because similar hands comeup pretty often. By that I mean - you have a standard raise in front of you (forget for a moment what type of player that raise comes from), and you have a decent, but not great hand.

Let me first say that I fold the ATs preflop and here is why. I have 1/2 BB invested in the hand and if I fold, I limit my potential loss right there. If I play, and I might under some specific circumtances, I'm always reraising to get some sort of read out of the inital raiser. By calling you're playing completly in the dark.

Another reason to fold is that there are some flops that I really don't want to see - and I think you got one of them. TPTK is a recipie for disaster a lot of times. It is also difficult to let go in the face of an opponent we "have a read on" as being aggressive. Even aggressive players are dealt JJ sometime (or AQ or KQ, etc).

When he raised and then called your reraise, I think I'm hoping to check it down and pray that he shows KT or QT.

Bottom line is that I'd rather lose 50 cents OOP in this hand by folding PF than face the very tough decisions that came later.

[scottie_g]

I actually think this is a great hand for discussion because similar hands comeup pretty often. By that I mean - you have a standard raise in front of you (forget for a moment what type of player that raise comes from), and you have a decent, but not great hand.

Let me first say that I fold the ATs preflop and here is why. I have 1/2 BB invested in the hand and if I fold, I limit my potential loss right there. If I play, and I might under some specific circumtances, I'm always reraising to get some sort of read out of the inital raiser. By calling you're playing completly in the dark.

Another reason to fold is that there are some flops that I really don't want to see - and I think you got one of them. TPTK is a recipie for disaster a lot of times. It is also difficult to let go in the face of an opponent we "have a read on" as being aggressive. Even aggressive players are dealt JJ sometime (or AQ or KQ, etc).

When he raised and then called your reraise, I think I'm hoping to check it down and pray that he shows KT or QT.

Bottom line is that I'd rather lose 50 cents OOP in this hand by folding PF than face the very tough decisions that came later.

Well said AJ. I think this hand I posted is a good example of why hands like ATs can get you into trouble. Most of the time, I would elect to fold this to a raise, especially since I am OOP. I don't have a problem raising it in LP or on the Button if I am first in however. Do you agree? Or do you fold this in LP and on the Button as well?

[aj]

Even in late position I probably fold - unless there have been at least two other callers to the original raise. Then pot odds make a call here a reasonable proposition.

Even then, I'm looking for two pair, a made flush or a flush draw before strongly playing after the flop. A lone ace, or a ten high flop (as in your case) send up big time caution flags.

Ooops, missed this at first - yes, I think it is a raising hand in late position if you're first in.

[bl]

this is a tough one. The one thing I'm not a big fan of is leading out on the flop. If I flop a set then yes, if I flop TPTK then I probably check raise his c-bet.

if he re-raisese your check-raise then you're done. if he calls we proceed with caution. To me it looks like he's trying to take the pot here by raising your feeler flop bet. You re-raise and now he calls either intending to take it away from you (when a scare card hits) or hitting his over pair. (AQ makes sense by the way).

The reason I like to check raise is because if he does have KK he's pushing back big time and you know you're beat.

Interesting hand overall though. Now that I look the check check on the turn is strange. he probably assumed you didn't have 2 pair at that point and was pushing the river if he paired. Love to know what he had.

[scottie_g]

I'm just trying to think... What hand does he raise preflop on the button, min-raise the flop, and call another $20 when he gets re-raised? Thinking about it more, I'm thinking that he probably plays or this way.

I cannot see him min raising with AQ on this flop. Who min-raises with overcards? Min raise with a set.. yea I can see that. Other possible hand is , and maybe he hit is 2 pair on the river. Come to think of it, I can see him playing + this way as well.

[mewsiclovr]

I have a hard time seeing QQ+ checking behind on the turn given the flop action. 99/TT/QTs seems more plausible (sp?). Maybe KJs for a flopped gutshot +overs since he's somewhat aggro, though it seems less likely.