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by biggle10 » Fri May 05, 2006 1:18 am
^$@$@#$@#, I actually broke down and bought Omaha tracker making me officially hooked.
***** Hand History for Game 4177955488 *****
$25 PL Omaha - Wednesday, May 03, 20:21:35 ET 2006
Table Table 95868 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 3: RkyWiliam420 ( $10.40 )
Seat 7: YoMaHa33 ( $24.50 )
Seat 8: Neutric ( $55.69 )
Seat 10: sweatpollock ( $71.63 )
Seat 4: Biggle10 ( $30.57 )
Seat 2: CV1975 ( $27.55 )
Seat 1: TankdaFrank815 ( $24.75 )
Seat 9: BKnight ( $29.60 )
Seat 6: socrpimp9 ( $11.15 )
Neutric posts small blind [$0.10].
BKnight posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Biggle10 [ Ah 2h Kc As ]
>You have options at Table 95214 (No DP) Table!.
sweatpollock folds.
TankdaFrank815 folds.
CV1975 folds.
RkyWiliam420 calls [$0.25].
Biggle10 raises [$0.88].
socrpimp9 calls [$0.88].
YoMaHa33 raises [$1.51].
Neutric folds.
BKnight folds.
RkyWiliam420 folds.
Biggle10 raises [$5.13]. Is this correct?
socrpimp9 calls [$5.13].
YoMaHa33 calls [$4.50].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2d, 6s, 4d ]
tamcong has joined the table.
>You have options at Table 95414 (No DP) Table!.
Biggle10 bets [$8.57].
socrpimp9 folds.
YoMaHa33 is all-In.
Biggle10 ???
***** Hand History for Game 4177955488 *****
$25 PL Omaha - Wednesday, May 03, 20:21:35 ET 2006
Table Table 95868 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 3: RkyWiliam420 ( $10.40 )
Seat 7: YoMaHa33 ( $24.50 )
Seat 8: Neutric ( $55.69 )
Seat 10: sweatpollock ( $71.63 )
Seat 4: Biggle10 ( $30.57 )
Seat 2: CV1975 ( $27.55 )
Seat 1: TankdaFrank815 ( $24.75 )
Seat 9: BKnight ( $29.60 )
Seat 6: socrpimp9 ( $11.15 )
Neutric posts small blind [$0.10].
BKnight posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Biggle10 [ Ah 2h Kc As ]
>You have options at Table 95214 (No DP) Table!.
sweatpollock folds.
TankdaFrank815 folds.
CV1975 folds.
RkyWiliam420 calls [$0.25].
Biggle10 raises [$0.88].
socrpimp9 calls [$0.88].
YoMaHa33 raises [$1.51].
Neutric folds.
BKnight folds.
RkyWiliam420 folds.
Biggle10 raises [$5.13]. Is this correct?
socrpimp9 calls [$5.13].
YoMaHa33 calls [$4.50].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2d, 6s, 4d ]
tamcong has joined the table.
>You have options at Table 95414 (No DP) Table!.
Biggle10 bets [$8.57].
socrpimp9 folds.
YoMaHa33 is all-In.
Biggle10 ???
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by goofyballer » Fri May 05, 2006 1:55 am
How loose does he raise preflop? If he's raising tight and doesn't appear too bright, I think you have to call on the basis that it isn't likely that board helped him.
...but I know absolutely nothing about Omaha, so I'm probably wrong.
...but I know absolutely nothing about Omaha, so I'm probably wrong.
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by lsutiger » Fri May 05, 2006 3:07 am
PF aggression on PLO is ok, but everyone at the table has put you on AAxx.
It sucks, but they have and they are correct. The ONLY reason to re-raise you is because they either have you beat or have the better draw. Two diamonds fall on the flop and a bunch of babies.
I doubt he called with 35 in his hand, but I would either put him on a flush draw (my thought) or he hit a set and knows that he has you beat now.
He may also have the best of both worlds and be playing a hand like 66TT and he is holding 2 diamonds which totally screws you unless you hit runner runner.
There is the off chance that both of you have AA since he did PF raise, but I still put him on the flush draw.
If we give him the hand KsKdTs6d, he is a 59% favorite to win, although he is currently behind.
If he has TcTd6c6d, he is a 94% favorite to win
If he has AdKdQhQs, he is a 43% dog.
I would probably call his all in because he PF raise should lower the kinds of hands he is capable of having to 4 high cards and one pair (in my mind, at least). I would give him the flush draw with the underpair, but that pretty much leaves you in a race.
You are not way ahead in this hand, at best you are about even. A fold is probably the best play in your position as painful as it is. Your post oak bet is fine because if you don't make it, he does because you show weakness. He may be on a stone cold bluff because he KNOWS you have AA, but I would discount that.
This hand is a tough one - but that's poker.
It sucks, but they have and they are correct. The ONLY reason to re-raise you is because they either have you beat or have the better draw. Two diamonds fall on the flop and a bunch of babies.
I doubt he called with 35 in his hand, but I would either put him on a flush draw (my thought) or he hit a set and knows that he has you beat now.
He may also have the best of both worlds and be playing a hand like 66TT and he is holding 2 diamonds which totally screws you unless you hit runner runner.
There is the off chance that both of you have AA since he did PF raise, but I still put him on the flush draw.
If we give him the hand KsKdTs6d, he is a 59% favorite to win, although he is currently behind.
If he has TcTd6c6d, he is a 94% favorite to win
If he has AdKdQhQs, he is a 43% dog.
I would probably call his all in because he PF raise should lower the kinds of hands he is capable of having to 4 high cards and one pair (in my mind, at least). I would give him the flush draw with the underpair, but that pretty much leaves you in a race.
You are not way ahead in this hand, at best you are about even. A fold is probably the best play in your position as painful as it is. Your post oak bet is fine because if you don't make it, he does because you show weakness. He may be on a stone cold bluff because he KNOWS you have AA, but I would discount that.
This hand is a tough one - but that's poker.
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by mervhage » Fri May 05, 2006 8:33 am
There's no question that your reraise flat out says, "I have AA". Do you have any additional info on what he might be raising with? I'm going to assume he has a hand with a few paints, maybe an Ace. Therefore, it's almost a given that he has a flush draw. I can't see 53 and I don't believe he flopped a set either.
Call and learn a lesson. Next time, bet the pot on the flop too.
Call and learn a lesson. Next time, bet the pot on the flop too.
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by bigdil511 » Fri May 05, 2006 9:09 am
I definately don't like raising PF with a hand like AAxx. Because when you re-raise it is very obvious, now say you raise your AAxx and someone calls and hits 2 pair on the flop, normally that is a pretty weak hand but since your hand was telegraphed PF and they are putting you on AA, that 2 pair looks pretty freggin good. Also with AAxx hands a lot of the time you aren't going to hit the flop and you have some money invested and will probably bet the flop if unimproved, if called you are gonna have to check/fold b/c someone has you beat.
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by terminal » Fri May 05, 2006 11:33 am
I think I just call the re-raise pre-flop. Your starting hand is pretty good, but I wouldn't want the pot getting out of hand, in case I didn't hit anything on the flop. Also you are out of position which is going to make things harder after the flop. You have made it tough to get away from with the amount of money in the pot. My guess is, you are probably a very slim favorite or totally screwed. It comes down to whether you feel like gambling.
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by cavman » Fri May 05, 2006 12:08 pm
in PLO, preflop, i generally want to get ~10% or less of my stack in, or at least 50% (hopefully more). With less than 10%, its easy to let go unimproved. with 50% or more, its an autopush on all but the most disgusting of flops.
in this case, you got about 20% in. this is a large amount of your stack, but it's not enough to go to the felt with AA, but its too much to just let it go. 246 is a fairly harmless flop, but in PLO, 1 pair is not a hand to take to the felt, even on the flop.
as for the way the hand played, i'd probably just get the money in, but not be excited about it.
in the future, i think following the 50<AA<10 rule with AA will help you stay out of a lot of tough spots.
i also think that if you never RR with AAxx PF in PLO (sorry for all the acronyms), you won't be giving up too much EV, and will save yourself from a lot of variance.
in this case, you got about 20% in. this is a large amount of your stack, but it's not enough to go to the felt with AA, but its too much to just let it go. 246 is a fairly harmless flop, but in PLO, 1 pair is not a hand to take to the felt, even on the flop.
as for the way the hand played, i'd probably just get the money in, but not be excited about it.
in the future, i think following the 50<AA<10 rule with AA will help you stay out of a lot of tough spots.
i also think that if you never RR with AAxx PF in PLO (sorry for all the acronyms), you won't be giving up too much EV, and will save yourself from a lot of variance.
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by easy_as_pie » Tue May 16, 2006 4:50 pm
no reason to make the pot so big preflop
in PLO even the best hand preflop is only 60% fav at best
in PLO even the best hand preflop is only 60% fav at best
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by cavman » Tue May 16, 2006 4:54 pm
Biggle10 wrote:cavman wrote:
in the future, i think following the 50<AA<10 rule with AA will help you stay out of a lot of tough spots. .
What is this rule?
i was just saying in my post above, i like to get less than 10% or more than 50% of my stack in PF with AAxx. This keeps me out of awkward situations with an unimproved AAxx on the flop. I guess the way i wrote it was really stupid.
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