Anything Unethical Here?

[fatlane]

I found myself heads up in a 45 man 5 table Stars tournament.

The hand below illustrates the situation.

Villain raises preflop, I call.

Flop yields bottom pair and an inside staright draw. Villain bets 5X BB. I figured my only options were to push or fold. After figuring out my odds I decide to go for it. But, before I went all in, I announced to my opponent that I had nine outs (thinking he had at least middle pair).

After I sent the message and pushed all in, then I realized that my opponent had options, and my declaration of "nine outs" could influence his decision.

Could this be a violation of ethics?

He ended up calling. When I saw what he had it left me scratching my head.

Was he really that commited to this pot? Could this be a violation of stupidity?



PokerStars Game #4636809066: Tournament #23132752, Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (1000/2000) - 2006/04/15 - 19:04:33 (ET)
Table '23132752 3' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: abhi123 (46401 in chips)
Seat 4: HjjH (21099 in chips)
abhi123: posts the ante 100
HjjH: posts the ante 100
abhi123: posts small blind 1000
HjjH: posts big blind 2000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HjjH [9s Jc]
abhi123: raises 4000 to 6000
HjjH: calls 4000
*** FLOP *** [Kc Qd Js]
HjjH: checks
abhi123: bets 8000
HjjH said, "nine outs"
HjjH: raises 6999 to 14999 and is all-in
abhi123: calls 6999
*** TURN *** [Kc Qd Js] [4s]
*** RIVER *** [Kc Qd Js 4s] [9c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HjjH: shows [9s Jc] (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
abhi123: shows [8h 6h] (high card King)
HjjH collected 42198 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 42198 | Rake 0
Board [Kc Qd Js 4s 9c]
Seat 2: abhi123 (button) (small blind) showed [8h 6h] and lost with high card King
Seat 4: HjjH (big blind) showed [9s Jc] and won (42198) with two pair, Jacks and Nines

[mervhage]

He's legally retarded.

[poormanbilly]

Regardless of the outcome, I think giving yourself 9 outs is being generous. Soooo, did you win or what?

[goofyballer]

I wouldn't call that a violation of ethics, since it could be construed as just trying to psyche out your opponent. It would be unethical if there was still a third player yet to act behind you and you mentioned something about your hand.

And yeah dude, you don't have 9 outs.

[mervhage]

Um, I think you guys are failing to look at the bigger picture:

abhi123: bets 8000
HjjH: check raises 6999 to 14999 and is all-in
abhi123: calls 6999
abhi123: shows [:8h: ] (high card King)

someone forgot to take his medication.

[fatlane]

I wouldn't call that a violation of ethics, since it could be construed as just trying to psyche out your opponent. It would be unethical if there was still a third player yet to act behind you and you mentioned something about your hand.

And yeah dude, you don't have 9 outs.

Thanks for your thoughts.

I allowed Poker Office to figure my odds. It doesn't take into account what my opponents might have. Looking back on it, I now see that if my opponent had AK or AQ (which he very well could have) it would have killed most of my outs (any ten).

I knew my opponent had been playing a lot of trash hands, but I never would have thought that he would call my all-in with two "really under" cards.

Even so, I feel lucky to have won that hand.

And to PoorManBilly, yes I did win. It really wasn't that hard. This dude, and the guy who finished third were really bad playing short handed (not that i'm great).

PokerStars Game #4636904560: Tournament #23132752, Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (1500/3000) - 2006/04/15 - 19:14:13 (ET)
Table '23132752 3' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: abhi123 (14404 in chips)
Seat 4: HjjH (53096 in chips)
abhi123: posts the ante 150
HjjH: posts the ante 150
abhi123: posts small blind 1500
HjjH: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HjjH [3h 8h]
abhi123: calls 1500
HjjH: checks
*** FLOP *** [9h 5h 6h]
HjjH: checks
abhi123: bets 11254 and is all-in
HjjH: calls 11254
*** TURN *** [9h 5h 6h] [Ah]
*** RIVER *** [9h 5h 6h Ah] [Jh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HjjH: shows [3h 8h] (a flush, Ace high)
abhi123: shows [5s Jc] (a flush, Ace high - lower cards)
HjjH collected 28808 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 28808 | Rake 0
Board [9h 5h 6h Ah Jh]
Seat 2: abhi123 (button) (small blind) showed [5s Jc] and lost with a flush, Ace high
Seat 4: HjjH (big blind) showed [3h 8h] and won (28808) with a flush, Ace high