Weakt-tight or Playing Smart

[Linuxrocks]

It took me only 2 nano-seconds to fold this, but I want to see what you guys think. No specific reads.

1. Fold (no FE, dominated or coin-flip)
2. Raise all-in (JJ is the nuts, don't you know that?)

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP (t1025)
Button (t2225)
linuxrocks (t2400)
BB (t585)
UTG (t1765)

Preflop: linuxrocks is SB with Jh, Jd.
2 folds, Button raises to t1000, 2 folds.

Final Pot: t1225

[mervhage]

I vote weak tight. Why would the button raise 7x unless he doesn't want a call? I'd push back, figuring to have the best hand, he could have something like a smaller PP or AJ/AQ.

[bobcorn]

People do this with small pocket pairs all the time. Any reads on Button? Btw, looking at the stack sizes you do have FE, just not a lot. You are the 2 biggest stacks so you don't want to tangle with him. If he's really tight, I fold here. Otherwise I push. I would fold TT almost always though.

[Linuxrocks]

It doesn't matter what he has. I am folding here everything other than QQ, KK and AA, because I have enough chips to finish in ITM, and go for first, and there is no need to tangle with that maniacal biggie. It's an easy push if it is a shortie, of course.

P.S. I finished second, and the maniac finished OOTM

[bobcorn]

It doesn't matter what he has. I am folding here everything other than QQ, KK and AA, because I have enough chips to finish in ITM, and go for first, and there is no need to tangle with that maniacal biggie. It's an easy push if it is a shortie, of course.

Huh? Of course it matters what he has! If he's a maniac, you absolutely have to push here. You aren't that far ahead of the two other big stacks and it isn't the bubble yet. Also, his overbet is almost never QQ-AA.

[cavman]

you gotta be kidding me

for real, is this post a joke?

[crunny]

i would fold. he's more likely to have overcard(s) than a lower poket pair.

[Linuxrocks]

It doesn't matter what he has. I am folding here everything other than QQ, KK and AA, because I have enough chips to finish in ITM, and go for first, and there is no need to tangle with that maniacal biggie. It's an easy push if it is a shortie, of course.

Huh? Of course it matters what he has! If he's a maniac, you absolutely have to push here. You aren't that far ahead of the two other big stacks and it isn't the bubble yet. Also, his overbet is almost never QQ-AA.

Ok, let's take this piece by piece. Say he has AQ, you go to war with him and win 50% of the time and maybe finish in ITM all the time. On the other hand, you fold, Is your ITM % greater than 50%? I would say yes, and I probably make it 90% of the time easily.

Now, there's a catch. If you win however, you have monster chip lead, and may place you high once you are ITM. Is that a good bargain or not depends on how high you place if you have average chips (say 2500) compared to a truck load of chips (say 5000) once you are ITM.

In other words, the chips you gain are not that valuable for you to take the risk.

[bobcorn]

Ok, I ran this through SNGPT as if Button actually pushed. If he has a range of 22+,A2s+,A3o+,KTs+,KJo+,QJs it's a push. If has a range of 44+,A7s+,A9o+,KJs+ its a fold. I'd have to say that his range is probably looser when he raises than when he pushes. Also you might have some FE (if he doesn't understand pot odds). How big of a maniac was he? Can you put him on a range?

[Linuxrocks]

I thought he had a much tighter range (77+,AJs+,AJo+). Yes, he is a maniac, but that doesn't mean he will have KJo here.

[bobcorn]

I thought he had a much tighter range (77+,AJs+,AJo+). Yes, he is a maniac, but that doesn't mean he will have KJo here.

The maniacs I run into will raise any 2 on the button. If he has a range of 77+,AJs+,AJo+, then I would fold JJ too.

[Linuxrocks]

I thought he had a much tighter range (77+,AJs+,AJo+). Yes, he is a maniac, but that doesn't mean he will have KJo here.

The maniacs I run into will raise any 2 on the button. If he has a range of 77+,AJs+,AJo+, then I would fold JJ too.

Any two maniacs might exist, but even they know that they shouldn't be raising 1000 chips here.

[mervhage]

You're only approaching this situation as if he has two overs, he could very well have something extremely weak.

Most of us agree that playing for first is better than sliding in the money. Once you take his ass out on this one, you'll destroy the remainder of the table with ease.

[uncledave]

I think I push here.
He isn't going to go all in like that with a big big hand. I think you are probably on the better hand. Cram them in there.

DS

[darinvg]

I'm a tight bastard when it comes to reraising on the bubble (this is pretty much the bubble) but I'm pushing.
You are in NO WAY guaranteed a money finish in this game.