Tight Poker

[easy_as_pie]

7 handed. game is pretty loose with omaha and chicago thrown in from time to time. my image is TAG. I have 350 and Villain covers. Surprisingly all fold to me on the button and I raise to $14 (standard raise). BB raises to 40. I cc. (good/bad?). nothing significant between us happened in the past. i have only showed down a semi-wrap in omaha and thats it.

flop is 668. BB checks, I bet 65 and he calls.
turn is a 7. he checks and I check.
river is a 2 completing the rainbow. Check, i bet $100 and he min c/r me to $200.

wWTTTTTTTF? how often am i getting owned on the river and what does he have? comments on all streets welcome, including preflop.

[ugignadl]

PF is fine, I like to play like that live because postflop your edge is usually massive. Online I'm more likely to pump it up some more.

F is fine.

T, hmm, I possibly would have bet here to see where I stand, it's a tossup though. Check behind might make him think you are weak, which is good.

R, I have no idea how you can fold here ---> I call, and hope to see a worse overpair. The min-cr screams donk, so what has his play been like up to this point? Perhaps he puts your river bet out as a bluff. QQ, JJ are both very possible for him, as is the chop and AA... also he could just be braindead. No way can I see a fold.

How did it turn out?

[goofyballer]

Pre: I would cold-call a lot here if we were $200 deep, but almost two buyins deep I feel like I have to 4bet here. Calling isn't bad though since you're still getting 10% of stacks in preflop.

Turn: Why did you check? Trying to induce a bluff = good reason, thinking you're behind = bad reason.

River: I play the same (although I'm likely betting more than 1/2 pot) and am never folding.

[sfustsh]

The only thing I can see is that he nailed a straight on the turn and gave you a card, or something weird like 68.

He might reraise preflop if he felt your raise was a steal attempt.

But that's a loose story, and he can't afford to check the river. I call here and will likely not ever fold.

[easy_as_pie]

pf i thought i would mix it up with him and i was actually expecting a c/r on the flop. i didn't really steal his blinds much so I doubt he is 3betting me with junk cause as I said my image is TAG...but then again who knows.

turn is for pot control. i thought that this is pretty standard no.

river i am very confused. is he ever bluffing with that min c/r? QQ or JJ would just call no? Because my range is much wider then his since i opened on the button i could have flopped huge and he should be aware of that.

i did call though.

results in white: he has AA

[sfustsh]

pf i thought i would mix it up with him and i was actually expecting a c/r on the flop. i didn't really steal his blinds much so I doubt he is 3betting me with junk cause as I said my image is TAG...but then again who knows.

turn is for pot control. i thought that this is pretty standard no.

river i am very confused. is he ever bluffing with that min c/r? QQ or JJ would just call no? Because my range is much wider then his since i opened on the button i could have flopped huge and he should be aware of that.

i did call though.

results in white: he has AA

Tricky, and exactly the same line as you!

In my experience, people don't realize they are 'minraising' live as often as they do online since you just press 'raise' online. Live, people don't think 'I'll just raise the minimum amount' so I don't generally think when people minraise live that it is significant.

[goofyballer]

COOLER ALERT! I don't see the need for pot control in this hand, you're ahead of another overpair or awfully played AK so often, and going broke to AA no matter what. You're supposed to go broke with KK here, don't sweat it; if you don't, then you're losing value when he has worse hands.

[ugignadl]

Yep total cooler. Like I said in my post, I think you will find plenty of people who min c-r a worse overpair in that position.

Funnily enough if you rereraised pf you possibly could have folded to an allin. Hmm.

On the T, like I said I would usually bet there but checking for pot control+weakness is also a good line.

[neverthink]

Just before I saw it in white I thought AA. It obviously can't be overcards, no straight, he'd bet the flop with a draw, especially that one, should also with QQ, JJ or less. So AA is the only thing that makes sense. Cooler as everyone says. I bet the turn though. If I check turn then I usually check river as well because I've shown weakness and am susceptable to resteal bluffs, and inevitabley have to pay off or fold best hand.

Does anybody think this is a good way to play AA given the board and action? Seems that you mostly turn your hand into a bluff when playing overpairs fancy postflop.

Also, why is the standard raise in this game so big? Is that simply what it takes to get a pot HU/3way?

[poormanbilly]

Also, why is the standard raise in this game so big?

Haha, that's what I used to think before I played some live 1/2. People are there to gamboool and play ANY trash. The only way you can get a sense of thier holdings is with a big raise like this.

[ugignadl]

If I was him, I'd be raising the flop bet. EAPs range on the button is way too large for me to be happy calling.

[scottie_g]

Turn check is good if you plan to get some extra value on the river. Its a good line with big pairs on this board. Betting turn isn't bad either.

Call the min-raise, I'm not folding that. He has no idea you have KK. I'm expecting a lower PP like TT+

[flash]

PF: I like

F: Looks good too, his call makes me think he has an overpair. Unless he is really loose I can't see him holding anything else. Since you beat 4/5 overpairs this is a good spot.

T: Your overpair is probably still good, only AA worries you. Why would you want to control the size of the pot here? You are still ahead of almost all villains likely holdings, raise.

R: As played you pretty much have to call, at this point I would expect to see an overpair, probably QQ/AA. Even so you're getting odds to call if those are his two most likely holdings.

After reading the results: I don't really see any way out of this hand. KK is supposed to lose big to AA on a safe board. The only way it doesn't is if you have some kind of huge tell or you have a hole in your game...