ITM in a $5+1 rebuy on stars tourney #20792955

[hultin]

We are on our 3rd break now, just got ITM I have an avg stack with 40k chips, I tried to get some chips when the bubble was happening but I lost 8k to steal and then I got AQ UTG and I raised and someone pushed on me so I folded. I had 47k at one point but its ok I'm still a force.

123 ppl left
3.2k to first place
Wish me luck!

[hultin]

Fuck I couldnt fold this fucking hand I finish in 73rd

I knew he had AK or AQ but my chip stack would of been 1/2 avg if I Fold here and I was gonna pay teh blind in two hands so I decided to call.


PokerStars Game #4229738669: Tournament #20792955, Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (1500/3000) - 2006/03/09 - 16:12:46 (ET)
Table '20792955 65' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: garbo (41094 in chips)
Seat 2: Katte-M (75084 in chips)
Seat 3: obillo (67820 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: Hultin (41753 in chips)
Seat 5: milesniven (73924 in chips)
Seat 6: Bilbo_My_Boy (56963 in chips)
Seat 7: dolfen (49863 in chips)
Seat 8: herbert (46398 in chips)
Seat 9: dwntwnjbro (14465 in chips)
garbo: posts the ante 150
Katte-M: posts the ante 150
obillo: posts the ante 150
Hultin: posts the ante 150
milesniven: posts the ante 150
Bilbo_My_Boy: posts the ante 150
dolfen: posts the ante 150
herbert: posts the ante 150
dwntwnjbro: posts the ante 150
garbo: posts small blind 1500
Katte-M: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hultin [Th Td]
obillo: folds
Hultin: raises 5000 to 8000
milesniven: folds
Bilbo_My_Boy: folds
dolfen: folds
herbert: folds
herbert said, "nah, i'll let someone else double you up"
dwntwnjbro: folds
dwntwnjbro said, "how thoughtful"
garbo: raises 32944 to 40944 and is all-in
Katte-M: folds
Hultin: calls 32944
*** FLOP *** [Qs 8s Ad]
herbert said, "what a pot"
*** TURN *** [Qs 8s Ad] [5d]
*** RIVER *** [Qs 8s Ad 5d] [7s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
garbo: shows [Kc As] (a pair of Aces)
Hultin: shows [Th Td] (a pair of Tens)
Katte-M said, "nh"
obillo has returned
garbo collected 86238 from pot
herbert said, "garbo unstoppable"
Katte-M said, "'s"
Hultin said, "gg"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 86238 | Rake 0
Board [Qs 8s Ad 5d 7s]
Seat 1: garbo (small blind) showed [Kc As] and won (86238) with a pair of Aces
Seat 2: Katte-M (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: obillo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Hultin showed [Th Td] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 5: milesniven folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Bilbo_My_Boy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: dolfen folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: herbert folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: dwntwnjbro (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[faquewdikhed]

A general rule of thumb that I go by is,

If you raise pretty solidly in EP, and someone pushes on you, they have an extremely strong hand.

Against AK or AQ you are a favorite, yes. But is villain coming over top of a strong EP raise with anything less than that? 99 or lower, AT or lower? No.

Against Villain's range. (AJ+ TT+) you are a slight dog. Barring any significant read on villain, folding is easily the correct choice here. Even with a pretty good read, I still don't like calling off all of my chips in this situation.

Also, the good old raise smaller than allin, but then call an allin. If you are going to call an all in after you raise, but probably dont want to show your hand down, then why not just raise all in preflop?

Sorry ur TT didn't hold up though, better luck next time.

[hultin]

Yah I definatly went into the tank on this one. Trust me I'm still thinking about it too. I didnt know if it was the best decision, and I knew it was going to be a coinflip, but when the blinds are going to hit me in 2 hands thats 4500 out of my stack leaving me with ~30k OTB. I guess I could of folded this hand and still played but I didnt like the fact that I was going to be half the avg stack and if I fold this after the blinds my M is 5, which I also dont like, so I figured it wouldnt be such a bad risk. I guess I could of just stole blinds again once I was OTB but we all make mistakes. And this wasnt that bad of a mistake.

As to why wouldnt I just raise all in preflop. I got a read on people, if certain people push against me I'm going to fold this TT, this guy pushing I easily put him on AK or AQ. Sure he could of had JJ QQ KK OR AA but I wasnt scared of that. If someone else that I viewed as tighter pushed I probably could of got away from the hand.
I think its pretty stupid to risk all my chips with an all in right away as I dont know what is out there. I would much rather put out a raise and see who has what.

Looking back I probably could of folded and still held up with 30k just fine but I guess I didnt think it over hard enough. I always see that avg stack staring at me in the face and it skews my thought process, I guess I just shouldnt even look at it.

[blatman25]

I wouldn't make too many decisions based on average stack size. It's a decent way to judge how you're doing, but you should be basing it on how many big blinds you have left in your stack. When you get under 10 big blinds, you want to start making moves. When you get under 5 big blinds, it's push or fold.

[faquewdikhed]

Part of what I said in my first post, was to imply that you can't put someone only on AK or AQ, just because you have a read on them. He could EASILY have had AAKKQQJJTT, and played it the exact same way. Putting him on exactly AK or AQ is what I call "Hope Poker".

"He's loose so he can't have AAKKQQJJTT" doesnt cut it.

Just somethin to chew on for a bit..

[blatman25]

Part of what I said in my first post, was to imply that you can't put someone only on AK or AQ, just because you have a read on them. He could EASILY have had AAKKQQJJTT, and played it the exact same way. Putting him on exactly AK or AQ is what I call "Hope Poker".

"He's loose so he can't have AAKKQQJJTT" doesnt cut it.

Just somethin to chew on for a bit..

Good point. I agree with that.

Even most of the loose donkey morons usually know the "slow down with a huge hand and trap" trick.

They read it somewhere.