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I hate turn donkbets.
by biggle10 » Sat Feb 25, 2006 1:21 am
STAGE #302147331: HOLDEM NORMAL $3/$6 - 2006-02-24 23:46:22 (ET)
Table: PHILIPS ST (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 2 - BIGGLE10 ($165 in chips)
Seat 3 - KOEHRING ($97.50 in chips)
Seat 4 - MRBREEZE59 ($60.55 in chips)
Seat 5 - A2NFG ($39 in chips)
Seat 6 - ELTOASTO ($231.25 in chips)
Seat 7 - DSKEY ($66 in chips)
Seat 8 - GERMANIAC2 ($93 in chips)
Seat 9 - OPTER ($347.50 in chips)
Seat 1 - TOBYTODD ($56.50 in chips)
KOEHRING - Posts small blind $2
MRBREEZE59 - Posts big blind $3
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to BIGGLE10 [Ad Kd]
A2NFG - Folds
ELTOASTO - Folds
DSKEY - Folds
GERMANIAC2 - Raises $6 to $6
OPTER - Folds
TOBYTODD - Folds
BIGGLE10 - Raises $9 to $9
KOEHRING - Folds
MRBREEZE59 - Calls $6
GERMANIAC2 - Calls $3
*** FLOP *** [7d 8d As]
MRBREEZE59 - Checks
GERMANIAC2 - Checks
BIGGLE10 - Bets $3
MRBREEZE59 - Calls $3
GERMANIAC2 - Raises $6 to $6
BIGGLE10 - Raises $6 to $9
MRBREEZE59 - Calls $6
GERMANIAC2 - Calls $3
*** TURN *** [7d 8d As] [2h]
MRBREEZE59 - Checks
GERMANIAC2 - Bets $6
BIGGLE10 - ???
Table: PHILIPS ST (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 2 - BIGGLE10 ($165 in chips)
Seat 3 - KOEHRING ($97.50 in chips)
Seat 4 - MRBREEZE59 ($60.55 in chips)
Seat 5 - A2NFG ($39 in chips)
Seat 6 - ELTOASTO ($231.25 in chips)
Seat 7 - DSKEY ($66 in chips)
Seat 8 - GERMANIAC2 ($93 in chips)
Seat 9 - OPTER ($347.50 in chips)
Seat 1 - TOBYTODD ($56.50 in chips)
KOEHRING - Posts small blind $2
MRBREEZE59 - Posts big blind $3
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to BIGGLE10 [Ad Kd]
A2NFG - Folds
ELTOASTO - Folds
DSKEY - Folds
GERMANIAC2 - Raises $6 to $6
OPTER - Folds
TOBYTODD - Folds
BIGGLE10 - Raises $9 to $9
KOEHRING - Folds
MRBREEZE59 - Calls $6
GERMANIAC2 - Calls $3
*** FLOP *** [7d 8d As]
MRBREEZE59 - Checks
GERMANIAC2 - Checks
BIGGLE10 - Bets $3
MRBREEZE59 - Calls $3
GERMANIAC2 - Raises $6 to $6
BIGGLE10 - Raises $6 to $9
MRBREEZE59 - Calls $6
GERMANIAC2 - Calls $3
*** TURN *** [7d 8d As] [2h]
MRBREEZE59 - Checks
GERMANIAC2 - Bets $6
BIGGLE10 - ???
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by mervhage » Sat Feb 25, 2006 3:07 am
Biggle tries to see the river for as cheaply as possible.
Germ raises preflop, but only calls your reraise, so it's fairly safe to rule out AA/KK.
Germ check raises flop. Considering preflop action, we ruled out AA, so does his preflop raise combined with check raise on the flop could be AQ/AJ (slightly less possibility is AK) if he puts you on KK>.
Germ leads out on the turn, this is very bizzare. Now, you might be looking at a set of 8s or AQ. These two hands are the most likely that you're facing (IMO).
Also, Mrbreeze is cold calling left and right, it would appear as though he's on a draw.
{edit}I just realized you have the nut flush draw, so I think a raise for value is in order, since our hero still has outs against the worst case scenario set of 8s and any two pair as well.
Germ raises preflop, but only calls your reraise, so it's fairly safe to rule out AA/KK.
Germ check raises flop. Considering preflop action, we ruled out AA, so does his preflop raise combined with check raise on the flop could be AQ/AJ (slightly less possibility is AK) if he puts you on KK>.
Germ leads out on the turn, this is very bizzare. Now, you might be looking at a set of 8s or AQ. These two hands are the most likely that you're facing (IMO).
Also, Mrbreeze is cold calling left and right, it would appear as though he's on a draw.
{edit}I just realized you have the nut flush draw, so I think a raise for value is in order, since our hero still has outs against the worst case scenario set of 8s and any two pair as well.
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by chenshack » Sat Feb 25, 2006 3:13 am
i think its very possible villain here (germanic) has a set of 7's or 8's based on his c/r, but the lead out bet seems to spell out either AK or AQ just because if he had a set, i think he'd let you bet out first and raise you for another BB.
with that being said, if he has AK or AQ that means you raise the turn here to extract maximum value from either same hand or one where you're dominating plus the nut flush draw.
with that being said, if he has AK or AQ that means you raise the turn here to extract maximum value from either same hand or one where you're dominating plus the nut flush draw.
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by goofyballer » Sat Feb 25, 2006 3:18 am
With the flush draw, I like a turn raise and checking behind the river UI.
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by biggle10 » Sat Feb 25, 2006 3:23 am
OK. I did raise. Felt weird even though I felt pretty strongly I was freerolling him.
Germaniac could've easily gotten another 2 BB out of the field. MrBreeze called me an idiot after the hand was over. I'm still trying to figure that one since he had a worse hand than I did.
*** TURN *** [7d 8d As] [2h]
MRBREEZE59 - Checks
GERMANIAC2 - Bets $6
BIGGLE10 - Raises $12 to $12
MRBREEZE59 - Calls $12
GERMANIAC2 - Calls $6
*** RIVER *** [7d 8d As 2h] [4c]
MRBREEZE59 - Checks
GERMANIAC2 - Bets $6
BIGGLE10 - Calls $6
MRBREEZE59 - Calls $6
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GERMANIAC2 - Shows [8s 8c] (Three of a kind, eights)
BIGGLE10 - Mucks
MRBREEZE59 - Shows [Ah Kc] (One pair, aces)
GERMANIAC2 Collects $107 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($110) | Rake ($3)
Board [7d 8d As 2h 4c]
Seat 1: TOBYTODD Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: BIGGLE10 (dealer) HI: [Mucked] [Ad Kd]
Seat 3: KOEHRING (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: MRBREEZE59 (big blind) HI:lost with One pair, aces [Ah Kc - B:As,P:Ah,P:Kc,B:8d,B:7d]
Seat 5: A2NFG Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: ELTOASTO Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: DSKEY Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: GERMANIAC2 won Total ($107) HI:($107) with Three of a kind, eights [8s 8c - P:8s,B:8d,P:8c,B:As,B:7d]
Seat 9: OPTER Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Germaniac could've easily gotten another 2 BB out of the field. MrBreeze called me an idiot after the hand was over. I'm still trying to figure that one since he had a worse hand than I did.
*** TURN *** [7d 8d As] [2h]
MRBREEZE59 - Checks
GERMANIAC2 - Bets $6
BIGGLE10 - Raises $12 to $12
MRBREEZE59 - Calls $12
GERMANIAC2 - Calls $6
*** RIVER *** [7d 8d As 2h] [4c]
MRBREEZE59 - Checks
GERMANIAC2 - Bets $6
BIGGLE10 - Calls $6
MRBREEZE59 - Calls $6
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GERMANIAC2 - Shows [8s 8c] (Three of a kind, eights)
BIGGLE10 - Mucks
MRBREEZE59 - Shows [Ah Kc] (One pair, aces)
GERMANIAC2 Collects $107 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($110) | Rake ($3)
Board [7d 8d As 2h 4c]
Seat 1: TOBYTODD Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: BIGGLE10 (dealer) HI: [Mucked] [Ad Kd]
Seat 3: KOEHRING (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: MRBREEZE59 (big blind) HI:lost with One pair, aces [Ah Kc - B:As,P:Ah,P:Kc,B:8d,B:7d]
Seat 5: A2NFG Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: ELTOASTO Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: DSKEY Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: GERMANIAC2 won Total ($107) HI:($107) with Three of a kind, eights [8s 8c - P:8s,B:8d,P:8c,B:As,B:7d]
Seat 9: OPTER Folded on the POCKET CARDS
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by mervhage » Sat Feb 25, 2006 3:36 am
Wow, no raise with the set of 8s on the turn, how lame (unless he figured you for a set of Aces, but even then he still leads out on the river, which leads me to one conclusion... he's a retard).
There's absolutely nothing idiotic about your play. I am surprised to see Cool Breeze holding AKo.
There's absolutely nothing idiotic about your play. I am surprised to see Cool Breeze holding AKo.
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