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[goofyballer]

Here were the opinions I had about those hands:
- 55: You can...
a.) fold, leaving you with 679k (M=10)
b.) call, lose the flip, leaving you with 444k (M=6.6)
c.) call, win the flip, giving you 1.16M (M=17)

I think the benefit gained by getting a monster chipstack when you win outweighs the times you lose. With 444k, you're not in awful shape yet but can claw your way back - with 1.2 mil, at that stage of the tournament, holy shit you're looking good. Hell, calling and winning would practically double you up compared to folding to his raise. I understand what you mean about not wanting to flip for your half (more like 2/5) your stack, but that's where odds come in: the benefit when you win outweighs the cost when you lose.

A6: Even if you think he has a monster from the preflop limp, what are the odds his monster hit that flop? I think limp-reraising a monster is a high pair a lot more than it's ace-king (donkeys that do shit like that hate playing ace-king postflop when it misses) - so, what do you think is more likely, you both flopped the case ace or he had KK, his plan failed, and you're ahead now? I'm not saying go crazy, but in an $80k pot with a $370k stack, I think you had enough chips in front of you to afford throwing $50k out there and seeing what happened. Once you checked though, the hand was over for you.

QJ: You have the right idea: push the flop or fold preflop. Homeboy to your right having about 1000 chips in front of him leans towards the latter.

AT: At the time, I thought that was a good fold. When he later called your push for 80% of his stack with A2, then maybe it wasn't a good fold - but, without that information available to you at the time, I don't mind it. Him pushing into you was the first out of line thing he'd done pretty much the whole time he'd been sitting there - the only vote for calling I could see was that he could be steaming off losing a big pot the hand before. But, it feels like more often than hot, someone pushing after a hand that went badly for them is actually a big hand they're trying to use their steaming to disguise.

Oh yeah, and didn't you fold A5s on the button once in an unopened pot? Was that when Drew was still hanging around?

[miamipuck]

Here were the opinions I had about those hands:
- 55: You can...
a.) fold, leaving you with 679k (M=10)
b.) call, lose the flip, leaving you with 444k (M=6.6)
c.) call, win the flip, giving you 1.16M (M=17)

I think the benefit gained by getting a monster chipstack when you win outweighs the times you lose. With 444k, you're not in awful shape yet but can claw your way back - with 1.2 mil, at that stage of the tournament, holy shit you're looking good. Hell, calling and winning would practically double you up compared to folding to his raise. I understand what you mean about not wanting to flip for your half (more like 2/5) your stack, but that's where odds come in: the benefit when you win outweighs the cost when you lose.

A6: Even if you think he has a monster from the preflop limp, what are the odds his monster hit that flop? I think limp-reraising a monster is a high pair a lot more than it's ace-king (donkeys that do shit like that hate playing ace-king postflop when it misses) - so, what do you think is more likely, you both flopped the case ace or he had KK, his plan failed, and you're ahead now? I'm not saying go crazy, but in an $80k pot with a $370k stack, I think you had enough chips in front of you to afford throwing $50k out there and seeing what happened. Once you checked though, the hand was over for you.

QJ: You have the right idea: push the flop or fold preflop. Homeboy to your right having about 1000 chips in front of him leans towards the latter.

AT: At the time, I thought that was a good fold. When he later called your push for 80% of his stack with A2, then maybe it wasn't a good fold - but, without that information available to you at the time, I don't mind it. Him pushing into you was the first out of line thing he'd done pretty much the whole time he'd been sitting there - the only vote for calling I could see was that he could be steaming off losing a big pot the hand before. But, it feels like more often than hot, someone pushing after a hand that went badly for them is actually a big hand they're trying to use their steaming to disguise.




Oh yeah, and didn't you fold A5s on the button once in an unopened pot? Was that when Drew was still hanging around?

I would not argue the points at all. However I picked up a lot of chips on these guys mistakes. Maybe they could say that about mine, with out their HH's we could never know. I should have treated this more like a pushbot SNG at times. If anthing I played the FT a tad too conservative, I will not argue.

The 5-5 hand you caould make a strong argument about calling. I had no chance of going broke there. I really should have pushed it, instead of open raising.

I did lay down A-5 on button, when whatever the fuck his name had like 3 chips. I will discuss tomorrow.

Man I am fucked for today.......................... It is ok do nto feel sorry for my ass!

[snickers99]

Nice job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Congrats!!

[hultin]

Wow very nice job miami. So you ended up taking 2720? Very nice cash.

[mousey]

The best hands for discussion were some of the blind steal defenses. Like calling a raiser with A6 and hitting a top pair. Or min betting down an A3 in a SB completion hitting top pair.

Hitting top pair and check raising on the turn was a successfull play a lot in hairy situations when I watched. In fact Miami's most successfull plays were a lot of check raises on the turn. He had an AQ on a K T x Q board and ended up agreeing to was a likely mid pair as for our reads. Instead he raised it up and got a lot of chips this way.

Anyways you should show some of them miami.

[puckhead23]

Congrats Miami!!!!!

[mervhage]

Congratulations on the finish!

[jp]

Nice finish Miami!

Now if only we could get some of these when we stake each other.

[goofyballer]

Hitting top pair and check raising on the turn was a successfull play a lot in hairy situations when I watched.

The only time I saw him c/r the turn was with rags...he c/f'd top pair twice

[miamipuck]

Hitting top pair and check raising on the turn was a successfull play a lot in hairy situations when I watched.

The only time I saw him c/r the turn was with rags...he c/f'd top pair twice

Yeah well folding top pair when it is +EV to do so is smart, and check raising when you have dick when the other person has the same is the same!


Thanks everyone.


Mousey,

What hands you want to discuss and I will post them. I thin k I got all the main ones.