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getting more value out the nuts OOP
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getting more value out the nuts OOP
by bram » Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:30 am
Anyone with suggestions on how to extract more value out of this hand, I put him on A9 or A10 since he didn't reraise preflop, i think by just calling his reraise on the turn I set it up so that he would call a small bet on the river, but I really want to get the maximum value out of a big hand like this and I am struggling to do this out of position like in this hand
any suggestions?
cheers
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by easy_as_pie » Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:09 am
reads, table dynamics and your image would be helpful.
w/out reads: raise to 17-18 pre.
then:
bet more on flop, c/r turn, lead river for much more.
key here is building a big pot. if you bet 22 on flop, 50 on turn and push river i think he calls.
if he is aggressive and sticky and likes thin value bets:
bet 15/20 on river hoping for a value/bluff raise or c/r river.
anybody in favor of check flop, lead turn hard and bet hard/pushriver. I think this might work as well but i'd still go with the first one.
w/out reads: raise to 17-18 pre.
then:
bet more on flop, c/r turn, lead river for much more.
key here is building a big pot. if you bet 22 on flop, 50 on turn and push river i think he calls.
if he is aggressive and sticky and likes thin value bets:
bet 15/20 on river hoping for a value/bluff raise or c/r river.
anybody in favor of check flop, lead turn hard and bet hard/pushriver. I think this might work as well but i'd still go with the first one.
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by aj » Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:27 am
Actually, I think you got more value out of this hand than you could have hoped for. Since he missed the flop, I'm not really sure what he is continuing the hand by calling your bet for. (no hand, no draw)
When you fill up on the turn and he pairs his ace, I actually think you're check call was correct. If you check raise here, you run the risk of chasing him away.
I think $60 was a reasonable offering on the river -it gave him a chance to make a crying call - which he did.
If you really put him on AT (good read by the way), you needed to pray for a K on the river. That card would have allowed you to stack him.
When you fill up on the turn and he pairs his ace, I actually think you're check call was correct. If you check raise here, you run the risk of chasing him away.
I think $60 was a reasonable offering on the river -it gave him a chance to make a crying call - which he did.
If you really put him on AT (good read by the way), you needed to pray for a K on the river. That card would have allowed you to stack him.
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by easy_as_pie » Thu Jun 08, 2006 6:19 pm
AJ, yes i think he extraced plenty but if he were to play this more agressivly and build a bigger pot pre and on each street he could have extraced at least 1/2 times more
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by bigdil511 » Thu Jun 08, 2006 6:32 pm
easy_as_pie wrote:AJ, yes i think he extraced plenty but if he were to play this more agressivly and build a bigger pot pre and on each street he could have extraced at least 1/2 times more
I think this is the way to go, b/c if you have any notes that he is a sticky player, raising more PF and c/r the turn when you think he hit his hand, he is probably not folding his AT with TP when he didn't fold it on the flop unpaired and no draw.
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by bram » Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:17 pm
BigDil511 wrote:easy_as_pie wrote:AJ, yes i think he extraced plenty but if he were to play this more agressivly and build a bigger pot pre and on each street he could have extraced at least 1/2 times more
I think this is the way to go, b/c if you have any notes that he is a sticky player, raising more PF and c/r the turn when you think he hit his hand, he is probably not folding his AT with TP when he didn't fold it on the flop unpaired and no draw.
i think I didn't check raise the turn so there would be a better chance of him calling my river bet, god knows why villian called the flop. However I spose that I should have risked villian folding in order to get a lot more money out of villian.
easy_as_pie on reflection I think with more agression villian would have folded.
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