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Folding AQo to a single raise early. Too tight?
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Folding AQo to a single raise early. Too tight?
by jacedk » Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:16 pm
Large field MTT ($22 10K gtd). 10th hand of the tourney, so no reads.
Too tight?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) TightPoker converter
Hero (t1450)
CO (t1490)
Button (t1490)
SB (t1540)
BB (t1450)
UTG (t1480)
UTG+1 (t1390)
MP1 (t1490)
MP2 (t1670)
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with
,
.
2 folds, MP1 raises to t80, 5 folds (including Hero), BB calls t60.
Too tight?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) TightPoker converter
Hero (t1450)
CO (t1490)
Button (t1490)
SB (t1540)
BB (t1450)
UTG (t1480)
UTG+1 (t1390)
MP1 (t1490)
MP2 (t1670)
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with
,
.
2 folds, MP1 raises to t80, 5 folds (including Hero), BB calls t60.
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by LadyWrestler » Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:31 pm
I can relate to this. AQo is a troublesome hand early, when faced with a sensible raise. In this situation (with no reads), most of the time, I would fold with AQo and call with AQs. Against a known aggressive raiser, I might reraise. I am open to suggestions if someone knows a better way to play this hand early. 
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by randy72560 » Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:37 pm
Re-raise his ass!!
Not too many players are tight early in MTT's anymore... Take a flop at least..
Reads can be partially based on how a player responds to YOUR play as well.. Not just what they want to do.. Seeing how he responds is valuable information..
Reads can be partially based on how a player responds to YOUR play as well.. Not just what they want to do.. Seeing how he responds is valuable information..
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by mewsiclovr » Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:42 pm
I would reraise from the button but we will be OOP from the small blind, readless I think folding is an ok play until we have a chance to observe villain some more to at least get a general overview of his playing style.
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by sfustsh » Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:17 pm
I fold almost all the time.
If you think he's raising 99+ AQo+ AJs+ or something like that you'll notice that you're really not in good shape against any of those hands.
AQ needs to flop perfect to continue.
In response to Randy: Reraise? Why reopen the betting (allowing him to make a bet you can't call) and build a big pot, with bad position, early in a tournament, with no reads, with a marginal hot and cold hand against his probably ranges, with practically worthless blinds? If the information is worth all that much to you, more power to you, but you can get a lot of information without committing a dime.
I think this is a classic Sklansky "don't push your small edges early" type case.
If you think he's raising 99+ AQo+ AJs+ or something like that you'll notice that you're really not in good shape against any of those hands.
AQ needs to flop perfect to continue.
In response to Randy: Reraise? Why reopen the betting (allowing him to make a bet you can't call) and build a big pot, with bad position, early in a tournament, with no reads, with a marginal hot and cold hand against his probably ranges, with practically worthless blinds? If the information is worth all that much to you, more power to you, but you can get a lot of information without committing a dime.
I think this is a classic Sklansky "don't push your small edges early" type case.
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by ugignadl » Mon Jan 08, 2007 8:08 pm
Randy72560 wrote:Re-raise his ass!!Not too many players are tight early in MTT's anymore... Take a flop at least..
Reads can be partially based on how a player responds to YOUR play as well.. Not just what they want to do.. Seeing how he responds is valuable information..
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by randy72560 » Mon Jan 08, 2007 8:30 pm
In response to Randy: Reraise? Why reopen the betting (allowing him to make a bet you can't call) and build a big pot, with bad position, early in a tournament, with no reads, with a marginal hot and cold hand against his probably ranges, with practically worthless blinds? If the information is worth all that much to you, more power to you, but you can get a lot of information without committing a dime.
Haha, well I'm just foolish...
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by mattaca » Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:30 am
I'm probably 70-30 here calling/folding. Harrington would say a fold is fine but I don't mine calling and seeing a flop for just 70 more. If you miss it just let it go.
I agree with Randy in that early in MTTs the range of rasing hands is pretty big and you're only worried about 4 hands that dominate you at this point.
I agree with Randy in that early in MTTs the range of rasing hands is pretty big and you're only worried about 4 hands that dominate you at this point.
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by ugignadl » Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:44 am
Don't forget that the psychology can also work for you. A reraise PF and then betting out at an A-high flop may be seen as a bluff. This has worked in the past for me; people see a reraise and think ``AA/KK/QQ''; then you bet out on an A-high flop and they think ``well he would have slowplayed AAA''.
Golden.
Golden.
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by LadyWrestler » Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:11 pm
Ugignadl wrote:Don't forget that the psychology can also work for you. A reraise PF and then betting out at an A-high flop may be seen as a bluff. This has worked in the past for me; people see a reraise and think ``AA/KK/QQ''; then you bet out on an A-high flop and they think ``well he would have slowplayed AAA''.
Golden.
Good point
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by mewsiclovr » Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:41 pm
Carrera wrote:he's not SB, and would have position here.
Oh woops you're right, I looked at the 5 folds (including hero) and thought he was the tail end of that...
OK, now I like at least a call if not a reraise. Sorry guys, my responses were totally based on I thought we were SB.
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by LadyWrestler » Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:13 pm
MewsicLovr wrote:Carrera wrote:he's not SB, and would have position here.
Oh woops you're right, I looked at the 5 folds (including hero) and thought he was the tail end of that...
OK, now I like at least a call if not a reraise. Sorry guys, my responses were totally based on I thought we were SB.
Mine, too! Sorry...too many head traumas.
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