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Fold on the river?
by tdostie@nc » Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:20 am
Hand 1598409408, Started at 12/16/2005 10:52 PM
Table 'Encarnacion': $1-$1 No Limit HE (Real Money)
Seat 0: doncormar ($85.40 in chips)
Seat 1: ahoenig ($45 in chips)
Seat 2: dostietj ($90.50 in chips) (on the button)
Seat 3: Dmarrello ($128.90 in chips)
Seat 4: pro-fisher ($90.90 in chips)
Seat 5: GirlsWhoSpit ($20 in chips)
Seat 6: JaBBaTheNuTT ($12.10 in chips)
Seat 7: investox ($21.10 in chips)
Seat 8: mrblltprf1 ($94.40 in chips)
*** Blind Bet Round *** :
Dealt to dostietj: Ad
Dealt to dostietj: As
Dmarrello : Post Blind ($0.50)
pro-fisher : Post Blind ($1)
GirlsWhoSpit : Post Blind ($1)
ahoenig : Post Blind ($1)
*** Pre-Flop *** :
GirlsWhoSpit : Check
JaBBaTheNuTT : Fold
investox : Fold
mrblltprf1 : Call ($1)
doncormar : Fold
ahoenig : Check
dostietj : Bet ($4)
Dmarrello : Fold
pro-fisher : Fold
GirlsWhoSpit : Fold
mrblltprf1 : Call ($3)
ahoenig : Call ($3)
*** Flop *** : 4h 5s Kh
mrblltprf1 : Check
ahoenig : Check
dostietj : Bet ($9)
mrblltprf1 : Call ($9)
ahoenig : Fold
*** Turn *** : [ 4h 5s Kh ] 8d
mrblltprf1 : Check
dostietj : Bet ($20)
mrblltprf1 : Call ($20)
*** River *** : [ 4h 5s Kh 8d ] Kd
mrblltprf1 : Bet ($61.40)
mrblltprf1 : All In
dostietj : Fold
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $131.90 | Rake: $2
Board: [ 4h 5s Kh 8d Kd ]
doncormar lost $0
ahoenig lost $4
dostietj lost $33
Dmarrello lost $0.50
pro-fisher lost $1
GirlsWhoSpit lost $1
JaBBaTheNuTT lost $0
investox lost $0
mrblltprf1 bet $94.40, collected $131.90, net $37.50
Do you bet or call the river? My read is that he hit a set on the flop and made his fullhouse, however it is Pokerroom and he could holding 2,7o for all I know. And how would you have played this hand differently. Check-raise the flop perhaps?
Table 'Encarnacion': $1-$1 No Limit HE (Real Money)
Seat 0: doncormar ($85.40 in chips)
Seat 1: ahoenig ($45 in chips)
Seat 2: dostietj ($90.50 in chips) (on the button)
Seat 3: Dmarrello ($128.90 in chips)
Seat 4: pro-fisher ($90.90 in chips)
Seat 5: GirlsWhoSpit ($20 in chips)
Seat 6: JaBBaTheNuTT ($12.10 in chips)
Seat 7: investox ($21.10 in chips)
Seat 8: mrblltprf1 ($94.40 in chips)
*** Blind Bet Round *** :
Dealt to dostietj: Ad
Dealt to dostietj: As
Dmarrello : Post Blind ($0.50)
pro-fisher : Post Blind ($1)
GirlsWhoSpit : Post Blind ($1)
ahoenig : Post Blind ($1)
*** Pre-Flop *** :
GirlsWhoSpit : Check
JaBBaTheNuTT : Fold
investox : Fold
mrblltprf1 : Call ($1)
doncormar : Fold
ahoenig : Check
dostietj : Bet ($4)
Dmarrello : Fold
pro-fisher : Fold
GirlsWhoSpit : Fold
mrblltprf1 : Call ($3)
ahoenig : Call ($3)
*** Flop *** : 4h 5s Kh
mrblltprf1 : Check
ahoenig : Check
dostietj : Bet ($9)
mrblltprf1 : Call ($9)
ahoenig : Fold
*** Turn *** : [ 4h 5s Kh ] 8d
mrblltprf1 : Check
dostietj : Bet ($20)
mrblltprf1 : Call ($20)
*** River *** : [ 4h 5s Kh 8d ] Kd
mrblltprf1 : Bet ($61.40)
mrblltprf1 : All In
dostietj : Fold
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $131.90 | Rake: $2
Board: [ 4h 5s Kh 8d Kd ]
doncormar lost $0
ahoenig lost $4
dostietj lost $33
Dmarrello lost $0.50
pro-fisher lost $1
GirlsWhoSpit lost $1
JaBBaTheNuTT lost $0
investox lost $0
mrblltprf1 bet $94.40, collected $131.90, net $37.50
Do you bet or call the river? My read is that he hit a set on the flop and made his fullhouse, however it is Pokerroom and he could holding 2,7o for all I know. And how would you have played this hand differently. Check-raise the flop perhaps?
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by easy_as_pie » Sat Dec 17, 2005 2:02 am
aaah
i played with JabatheNutt quiet a few times...i think i have an encylopedia of notes on him
ok....first of all. very disciplined fold, pretty impressive
i can see how you can put him on a set but i think its easier to put him on a K. something like KQ perhaps. If the K doesnt come, I am calling.
its a very tough now that i think of it. was he calling you instantly or was he thinking a lot, what about his reaction time on the flop?
ahm....its tough. the more I think of it I he has a K and its a fold, although I dont know if I would have folded because they give you so litttle time on PokeRoom and i have seen some horrible horrible stuff and gave way too much credit to some people.
ok. so if he has a set the flop is standard. they always slowplay it. i find it that with set they tend to minraise pretty big bets most likely on turn or even better, they check raise you min on turn.
if he had KQ and he is first to act so he checks cuz he might be against higher K and there are many players ahead but checks with the intention of calling. he check calls the turn for the same reason and doesnt raise because you come out pretty strong. the K on the river is kind great....he is relieved and just sticks it all in...the same might happen if he just made a boat and decided to stick it in as to fake a desperation bluff. in any case, its more likely that he went all in with something better than AA rather than a bluff.
i dont know if people at 100NL as tricky enough to call with the intention of bluffing, this play would not work here because the stakcs are not deep enough and there is not much folding equity. so since there were no real draws he most likely made trips with a weak kicker
i played with JabatheNutt quiet a few times...i think i have an encylopedia of notes on him
ok....first of all. very disciplined fold, pretty impressive
i can see how you can put him on a set but i think its easier to put him on a K. something like KQ perhaps. If the K doesnt come, I am calling.
its a very tough now that i think of it. was he calling you instantly or was he thinking a lot, what about his reaction time on the flop?
ahm....its tough. the more I think of it I he has a K and its a fold, although I dont know if I would have folded because they give you so litttle time on PokeRoom and i have seen some horrible horrible stuff and gave way too much credit to some people.
ok. so if he has a set the flop is standard. they always slowplay it. i find it that with set they tend to minraise pretty big bets most likely on turn or even better, they check raise you min on turn.
if he had KQ and he is first to act so he checks cuz he might be against higher K and there are many players ahead but checks with the intention of calling. he check calls the turn for the same reason and doesnt raise because you come out pretty strong. the K on the river is kind great....he is relieved and just sticks it all in...the same might happen if he just made a boat and decided to stick it in as to fake a desperation bluff. in any case, its more likely that he went all in with something better than AA rather than a bluff.
i dont know if people at 100NL as tricky enough to call with the intention of bluffing, this play would not work here because the stakcs are not deep enough and there is not much folding equity. so since there were no real draws he most likely made trips with a weak kicker
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by goofyballer » Sat Dec 17, 2005 6:41 am
Good fold. I think a set is very possible, as he might have put you on AK, and to AK his river push looks like a bluff, inducing a call.
Unless he's just a donkey, but either way there's not a lot of hands you beat here. He has to figure AK is a likely holding of yours, but he still wants to put all his chips in.
Unless he's just a donkey, but either way there's not a lot of hands you beat here. He has to figure AK is a likely holding of yours, but he still wants to put all his chips in.
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