Tight Poker

[chenshack]

Was playing some 2/4 the other day, 2 tabling with a 50 NL table and also doing hw so no notes on anyone when this hand came up. I figured

***** Hand History for Game 3466737202 *****
2/4 Texas Hold'em Game Table (Limit) - Mon Jan 30 20:20:22 EST 2006
Table Bad Beat Jackpot 1117125 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: QuarkXD ( $80)
Seat 2: rifleman1717 ( $97)
Seat 3: gacracker ( $118.60)
Seat 4: chenshack ( $142.25)
Seat 5: GulliverX ( $123.45)
Seat 6: VickyVic23 ( $8)
Seat 7: DAVIDH333 ( $72)
Seat 8: dennisa ( $108)
Seat 9: garciareid ( $45.50)
Seat 10: GmHawkeye ( $109)
gacracker posts small blind (1)
chenshack posts big blind (2)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to chenshack [ , ]
GulliverX folds.
VickyVic23 folds.
DAVIDH333 folds.
dennisa raises (4) to 4
garciareid calls (4)
GmHawkeye folds.
QuarkXD folds.
rifleman1717 folds.
gacracker folds.
chenshack calls (2)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ , , ]
chenshack checks.
dennisa bets (2)
garciareid folds.
chenshack raises (4) to 4
dennisa raises (4) to 6
chenshack calls (2)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ ]
chenshack ???




chenshack checks.
dennisa bets (4)
chenshack calls (4)
** Dealing River ** : [ 5h ]
chenshack checks.
dennisa bets (4)
chenshack calls (4)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $38.50 | Rake: $2 | Jackpot Contribution: $0.50
Board: [ Tc Kd Jh 4d 5h ]
QuarkXD balance $80, didn't bet (folded)
rifleman1717 balance $97, didn't bet (folded)
gacracker balance $117.60, lost $1 (folded)
chenshack balance $162.75, bet $18, collected $38.50, net +$20.50 [ Qd 9h ] [ a straight, nine to king -- Kd,Qd,Jh,Tc,9h ]
GulliverX balance $123.45, didn't bet (folded)
VickyVic23 balance $8, didn't bet (folded)
DAVIDH333 balance $72, didn't bet (folded)
dennisa balance $90, lost $18 [ As Kh ] [ a pair of kings -- As,Kh,Kd,Jh,Tc ]


I wasn't really sure what to think at this point - I was in my mind, tossing between AQ and AK due to a EP raise, but really wasn't sure. Should I be betting this turn no matter what, or check raising just to see where I am? Is it weak tight that I consider just check/calling this hand down to showdown?

One thing i've been working on lately is trusting my instincts - sometimes I just feel like I should let hands go, and sometimes I am very wishy washy and that tends to make me check-call, which was the feeling I got this hand. However, that same feeling has cost me certain big hands that I should've laid down but couldn't, so I'm still working on refining that.

Just curious what others would do in this situation

[hultin]

I would have done the same thing you did on the flop. I would have bet the turn though. I cant put my opponent on AQ, even though he did PFR, you cant be scared of AQ here. Do you think he would bet the nut straight on the flop? Most people go crazy when they flop the nuts, and they check the flop. Im thinking that I have the best hand here with Q9 and Im betting the turn. If he raises again on the turn then I might be scared of AQ but I'm still going to bump it yet again. This hand is way too strong to be playing it the way you did.

Go ahead get your bets in there, if he has AQ then oh well. Bet raise and bet some more.

[mervhage]

Cap the flop and lead out on the turn, or possibly check raise the turn (if you don't cap flop), that would be sweet!

[alanpsych]

There are other possible hands besides AK and AQ, I'm thinking. Doesn't AA, KK, JJ, and TT play this the same way? Maybe even KQ? KJ is probably a stretch, but you get the idea. I think your mistake here was narrowing his range too much.

[biggle10]

I vote 'Fold preflop' followed by...

Cap the flop and lead out on the turn, or possibly check raise the turn (if you don't cap flop), that would be sweet!

[barrin6]

I vote 'Fold preflop' followed by...

Cap the flop and lead out on the turn, or possibly check raise the turn (if you don't cap flop), that would be sweet!

I second that.

[scotty1139]

I vote 'Fold preflop' followed by...

Cap the flop and lead out on the turn, or possibly check raise the turn (if you don't cap flop), that would be sweet!

I second that.

and I third that.

[chenshack]

note to self: raise best hand

thanks for the input guys

[tdostie@nc]

I vote 'Fold preflop'

Why not call preflop you are getting 5.5 to 1 odds to call. Granted the hand is a little weak, but I call this and see the flop and dump if I don't improve at all.

[redz]

I think you need bigger odds than that to be calling with Q9. Must be very long odds for hitting a straight. I'd be looking for implied odds of about 30:1 at a guess. But I cant do the Math

I'd probably call if it was suited.

I think i'm gonna start having to learn the maths more soon so I can work out exact pot odds on the fly.

[mousey]

Only 1 hand beats you? JAM JAM JAM JAM JAM !!!!

Cap flop, raise turn, 3 bet turn. If capped turn. Check call river.

What is his raise % - A typical tight player is about 9%.

So ! He raises 9% of his hands and only one beats you!?!? I usually passive players only 3 bet sets. And he is aggressive So ...


JAM JAM JAM JAM AJMA JMA JAM jjJJJJJJJJJJJJJJAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[travis]

u should bet and 3 bet this if raised. Aggro players will raise your turn bet with any set here. if he caps u can check/call river if no A comes.

[biggle10]

I vote 'Fold preflop'

Why not call preflop you are getting 5.5 to 1 odds to call. Granted the hand is a little weak, but I call this and see the flop and dump if I don't improve at all.

Yeah, but Q's aren't exactly great cards for you. You're really looking for a 9 high rag board.