Flopped 2nd nut... line?

[mirage]

Flopped 2nd nut, best boat from UTG. The pot was raised PF by the CO with lots of callers. (I usually raise 9's from any pos., must not have been paying attention.) Should I lead the flop? If so, by how much? I'm thinking alternatively of a c/r, hoping on a c-bet from the original raiser who is TAG if I recall correctly. However a c-bet may not come, I doubt he hit the flop and with this many callers he may decide to shutdown.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO ($17.94)
Button ($10.32)
SB ($4.98)
BB ($3.71)
Hero ($13.94)
MP ($12.37)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9, 9.
Hero calls $0.05, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.2, Button calls $0.20, SB calls $0.18, BB calls $0.15, Hero calls $0.15.

Flop: ($1) 9, 2, 2 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero.......

[mervhage]

Hero checks and hopes CO bets b/c that is perfect for you considering Button, SB and BB will all have to act before it comes back to you.

Depending on What the CO does, then I can further strategize how to continue.

[kedoran]

Always bet bet bet bet bet

[nlman]

Hero checks and hopes CO bets b/c that is perfect for you considering Button, SB and BB will all have to act before it comes back to you.

If he bets and gets a lot of callers I'd probably minreraise or reraise just a little to get this whole zoo to tag along One of them is close to all-in, so you might even get an opportunity to reraise after his all-in (btw, did they fix the bug on Praty that doesn't allow you to reraise all-ins? That bug cost me TONS of money so far )

[neverthink]

I'd bet. It could easily look like a weak lead, trying to pick up an obviously missed flop. There are also so many hands that I would lead with here that could fit your line so far. Any pocket pair from 55 to 88 and suited connectors like 89 to start. I really don't think you can expect the raiser to c-bet into this flop either with so many players, the chances of him taking it down are slim and none. So if we bet about 2/3 the pot, he may have a pocket pair and raise you, he may bluff raise with AK, and he may have flopped a flush draw or call with overs. Somebody must have something, and we want money in the pot. If they don't have a thing, you were never going to get anything anyway.

[randy72560]

Since this is micro limit, I would throw a bet at it.. How does the CO usually play after he raises? If he usually CB's than I would check.. Otherwise, Like Merv said a couple of months ago.. "Betting is the new slow playing"

[ugignadl]

Hmmm. Personally, since I was not the PF raiser (which would be rare) I would check it (check-call that is). But this situation happens so rarely at the higher limits. Usually we miss flops and then try to bully each other out. That is, even if they miss, I can still get value. If I bet here I am not getting much for my flopped monster.

This is 100% dependent on who you are playing against and how you can get the most value. I would expect to win at showdown here unimproved against the entire field, unless the turn and river came XX where X > 9, or two more 2s.

[mirage]

Here's how it went down (in white below:)

I led for half the pot, everyone folded.

[nlman]

Yep, what did you expect? You weren't the preflop raiser and you raised in front of him in a multi-way pot. That just screams "I have a monster!!!". If he missed the flop, you would at least get his continuation bet or button's bluff bet.

[neverthink]

Yep, what did you expect? You weren't the preflop raiser and you raised in front of him in a multi-way pot. That just screams "I have a monster!!!". If he missed the flop, you would at least get his continuation bet or button's bluff bet.

Beg to differ. It also means I have a pair of Tens, eights or sevens and this is a good flop for me. Only the donkiest of TAGs c-bets this flop imo, every pocket pair is floating here.

[sfustsh]

Uh, I don't like a lead out here. You have the deck crippled. Let the turn come off and throw in a half pot.

Reasonably, no one without a 2 or the case 9, or a PP or two spades can call here. Not a huge group of hands, actually. Just let one come off and maybe lead the turn unless it's another complete blank. You really want a boardwalk card or a spade to hit here. A spade might kill your action if no one has it but if there's a flush floating around you're stacking someone.

[kedoran]

Entire concept of winning money is betting out so that weaker players can call with their draws and raise with their overpair. Cant stack people unless you build a pot.

[sfustsh]

Entire concept of winning money is betting out so that weaker players can call with their draws and raise with their overpair. Cant stack people unless you build a pot.

If he makes his flush he'll give you all his money anyway.

[ugignadl]

Entire concept of winning money is betting out so that weaker players can call with their draws and raise with their overpair. Cant stack people unless you build a pot.

1. If people have an overpair they will bet it on the flop.
2. Not many draws here.
3. Hard to think I am bluffing if I bet with so many people in the pot and me not being the preflop raiser.

[kedoran]

If he makes his flush he'll give you all his money anyway.

Yeah but I like money everytime not just when someone hit a draw.

I have no idea how you guys play but people call me down with anything and not betting here is terrible just because preflop raiser wont cbet very often (5way pot) unless when he has a huge pair and then hes going bust anyway (unless you wait till flush hit to bet).