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final 20 of 4k on PR
by easy_as_pie » Wed May 31, 2006 9:22 pm
holla if you are bored...1000 people made the prize pool tinnnny but i am still in.
i will post if something interesting comes up but so far its been up and down
i am dumb: my SN is ketchup4444
lol spare your efforts. just busted 17th or something after almost 5 hours. bustout hand. i have 180kish. all fold. i push in hijack with AJof. i was thinking about a stopngo but the blinds are 10k/20k so i thought i would push. BB with 300k insta calls, INSTA fucking calls, with 22.
flop gut shot +overs but nada.
i will post if something interesting comes up but so far its been up and down
i am dumb: my SN is ketchup4444
lol spare your efforts. just busted 17th or something after almost 5 hours. bustout hand. i have 180kish. all fold. i push in hijack with AJof. i was thinking about a stopngo but the blinds are 10k/20k so i thought i would push. BB with 300k insta calls, INSTA fucking calls, with 22.
flop gut shot +overs but nada.
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by easy_as_pie » Wed May 31, 2006 10:03 pm
dont want to make this a worthless thread so here are two hands:
40 left you have 60kish. blinds are 2k/4k.
ep is weak, talks a lot and limps often ep limps with 23k stack, next mp/ep calls with 33k stack (no reads). You are next with KdJd. your play.
The SB in this hand is short and the BB has roughly the same as you.
25 left. blinds 4k/8k. You have 80k. Player in late EP min raises to 16k and covers hero. This player is pretty aggro and tougher then the avg. fish. Doesn't like to fold when in the pot post flop. Note that the BB in this hand was just moved to the table and is away. He has 200kish but thats irrelevant.
Hero has 66 on the button. All fold to EPs min raise. Action?
40 left you have 60kish. blinds are 2k/4k.
ep is weak, talks a lot and limps often ep limps with 23k stack, next mp/ep calls with 33k stack (no reads). You are next with KdJd. your play.
The SB in this hand is short and the BB has roughly the same as you.
25 left. blinds 4k/8k. You have 80k. Player in late EP min raises to 16k and covers hero. This player is pretty aggro and tougher then the avg. fish. Doesn't like to fold when in the pot post flop. Note that the BB in this hand was just moved to the table and is away. He has 200kish but thats irrelevant.
Hero has 66 on the button. All fold to EPs min raise. Action?
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by mewsiclovr » Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:57 am
Hand 1: Hero raises to 12K
Hand 2: Flat call, fold to any action absent a 6.
Hand 2: Flat call, fold to any action absent a 6.
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by ctsights » Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:31 am
Hand #1: I'd make it approx. 10k to go. My guess is that if the two limpers had any strength, they may have pushed or made a significant raise in the first place to at least least pick up the blinds. This raise will likely get them to fold their good cards or push their monsters. If SB pushes, I'd prob called if the raise hadn't already covered his stack. BB push...I'd prob. fold. I doubt you'd bee seeing a push bluff from anyone at this point unless you've been throwing your chips around quite a bit.
Hand #2: Is this min raise out of ordinary for aggro guy? Any raise that won't kill your stack will prob. be called. Any other raise may get him off his hand but, you are in serious trouble if faced with a call or re-raise. Push or fold.
Chris
Hand #2: Is this min raise out of ordinary for aggro guy? Any raise that won't kill your stack will prob. be called. Any other raise may get him off his hand but, you are in serious trouble if faced with a call or re-raise. Push or fold.
Chris
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by easy_as_pie » Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:51 pm
i pushed both hands.
first hand. limping here is pretty much giving chips away. The guy is agressive and has been active in the past few orbits. I put him on a decent hand but nothing too strong. A hand that he feels like he should raise but because he has been raising at least once every orbit he didn't want to get re riased by a big stack and committ too many chips if he didnt hit + a min raise at this level is still pretty hefty. The major reason why i pushed though because I thought that I had massive FE and will only get called with JJ+ and AK. He called with AJ though but i won.
Hand 2. The pot was already big and I was at least even money against their range which as ctsights said, is not very strong, but a ton of dead money in the pot made it a +EV push and I will take it. A raise puts me in a difficult spot if another big stack cold calls or raises + I want to ideally shut every down behind me or at worst only get called by one of the shorties. I did get called by the second limper with 99 and lost.
thoughts?
first hand. limping here is pretty much giving chips away. The guy is agressive and has been active in the past few orbits. I put him on a decent hand but nothing too strong. A hand that he feels like he should raise but because he has been raising at least once every orbit he didn't want to get re riased by a big stack and committ too many chips if he didnt hit + a min raise at this level is still pretty hefty. The major reason why i pushed though because I thought that I had massive FE and will only get called with JJ+ and AK. He called with AJ though but i won.
Hand 2. The pot was already big and I was at least even money against their range which as ctsights said, is not very strong, but a ton of dead money in the pot made it a +EV push and I will take it. A raise puts me in a difficult spot if another big stack cold calls or raises + I want to ideally shut every down behind me or at worst only get called by one of the shorties. I did get called by the second limper with 99 and lost.
thoughts?
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by bobcorn » Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:11 pm
easy_as_pie wrote:first hand. limping here is pretty much giving chips away. The guy is agressive and has been active in the past few orbits. I put him on a decent hand but nothing too strong. A hand that he feels like he should raise but because he has been raising at least once every orbit he didn't want to get re riased by a big stack and committ too many chips if he didnt hit + a min raise at this level is still pretty hefty. The major reason why i pushed though because I thought that I had massive FE and will only get called with JJ+ and AK. He called with AJ though but i won.
I think you're talking about the second hand here. I would still want a better hand than 66 to move in.
easy_as_pie wrote:Hand 2. The pot was already big and I was at least even money against their range which as ctsights said, is not very strong, but a ton of dead money in the pot made it a +EV push and I will take it. A raise puts me in a difficult spot if another big stack cold calls or raises + I want to ideally shut every down behind me or at worst only get called by one of the shorties. I did get called by the second limper with 99 and lost.
I think you are getting called here almost every time here. As for what the limpers have, I would be very worried about being up against a monster when someone limps for 1/6 of their stack from EP.
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by easy_as_pie » Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:51 pm
yeah excuse me. I mixed up the hands.
also note stacks to blinds ration in both hands. We are all ITM but these moves is what makes or breaks your chance of taking 1st, the way I see it.
I don't think anybody limps monsters that late in the tourney so I discount them from the range of shorties. All the money in the pot makes it a +EV push. They are mostly likely on low -medium pockets 55-99. I doubt A10 limps in that position and AJ probably pushes.
Thus we are probably even money at best there - 50/50 but the call becomes trivial becomes there is a lot more chips in the pot. Thus when I looose, I loose say 20k, but when I win i win 30k.
bobcorn, u are saying that I am getting called here by the shorties most of the time? See above.
66 hands. I figured, I had massive FE. I havent re raised him yet, in fact, if he paid any attention I didnt raise much the last few orbits. Can't sit around waiting for AAs when you have 10xBB.
also note stacks to blinds ration in both hands. We are all ITM but these moves is what makes or breaks your chance of taking 1st, the way I see it.
I don't think anybody limps monsters that late in the tourney so I discount them from the range of shorties. All the money in the pot makes it a +EV push. They are mostly likely on low -medium pockets 55-99. I doubt A10 limps in that position and AJ probably pushes.
Thus we are probably even money at best there - 50/50 but the call becomes trivial becomes there is a lot more chips in the pot. Thus when I looose, I loose say 20k, but when I win i win 30k.
bobcorn, u are saying that I am getting called here by the shorties most of the time? See above.
66 hands. I figured, I had massive FE. I havent re raised him yet, in fact, if he paid any attention I didnt raise much the last few orbits. Can't sit around waiting for AAs when you have 10xBB.
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by bobcorn » Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:59 pm
easy_as_pie wrote:also note stacks to blinds ration in both hands. We are all ITM but these moves is what makes or breaks your chance of taking 1st, the way I see it.
I don't think anybody limps monsters that late in the tourney so I discount them from the range of shorties. All the money in the pot makes it a +EV push. They are mostly likely on low -medium pockets 55-99. I doubt A10 limps in that position and AJ probably pushes.
Thus we are probably even money at best there - 50/50 but the call becomes trivial becomes there is a lot more chips in the pot. Thus when I looose, I loose say 20k, but when I win i win 30k.
bobcorn, u are saying that I am getting called here by the shorties most of the time? See above.
Ok, I see what you're saying. This being an MTT also effects things.
easy_as_pie wrote:66 hands. I figured, I had massive FE. I havent re raised him yet, in fact, if he paid any attention I didnt raise much the last few orbits. Can't sit around waiting for AAs when you have 10xBB.
I think you are overestimating your fold equity against someone who raises with 10 BB's. As an active player I wouldn't give him credit to fold a marginal hand there.
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