Tight Poker

[jacedk]

MTT with one rebuy and one add-on. I'd already taken the rebuy, and so had villain.

Preflop might be questionable, but it was a loose table, and I was hoping to flop a monster or strong draw.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) TightPoker converter

CO (t1270)
Hero (t2930)
SB (t1700)
BB (t1505)
UTG (t1385)
UTG+1 (t1720)
MP1 (t3040)
MP2 (t1450)
MP3 (t3000)

Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
4 folds, MP3 raises to t60, 1 fold, Hero calls t60, 1 fold, BB calls t40.

Flop: (t190) , , (3 players)
BB checks, MP3 bets t110, Hero raises to t280, BB folds, MP3 raises to t2940, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t3410

[sfustsh]

Preflop I have zero problem with the call and will argue to my death the value of suited connectors in a MTT.

Has MP3 been acting up? Depending on how he's been playing, his range could include a set of eights or nines or an overpair in addition to TPTK or a combo draw.

Either way top two isn't strong enough to continue with your stack. This is a "gotta win almost half the time" thing and there is too much ambiguity in villain's hand. You might be drawing to 4 outs.

Fold and live to play later.

[jacedk]

It's the 15th or so hand of the tourney, so no real reads. It's villains first PRF, and most other PRFs have been outrageous overbets up to 200 chips. So I considered villain a more solid player than most of the donks at the table.

His push made me suspect he was bluffing, because why push like that with a made flush or set, instead of extracting value? But that could have been exactly what he wanted me to think. I was not going to pay my entire stack to find out.

[mewsiclovr]

I thought I already replied to this thread, but I think I call. I just don't see a made flush playing like this. We can heaving discount sets since we have top two and a pair of 2's is probably not raising PF, so we're not behind much.

Most likely he has a high pair with a diamond.

[mattaca]

Over pair with a diamond? Thats my guess, likely AA or KK. The small preflop raise wants some action.

Still an akward situation to be in. I probably lay it down here as well.

Any thought to just calling? I know its bad for diamond draws but it might slow him down as well if he thinks you're slowplaying.

[sfustsh]

Over pair with a diamond? Thats my guess, likely AA or KK. The small preflop raise wants some action.

Still an akward situation to be in. I probably lay it down here as well.

Any thought to just calling? I know its bad for diamond draws but it might slow him down as well if he thinks you're slowplaying.

I don't think calling is that meritous, as the only cards you want to see are an eight or nine. A diamond 'really' hurts you, as well as a T, J, Q, 5, 6, 7 to a certain extent. Kings and Aces also make the chance of a set a possibility.

I can see ML's reasoning for calling the shove, but I don't like it because:
1. We are still early in the tournament.
2. The pot is not that big, and we can afford to let it go.
3. Even if villain has an overpair with a diamond, a deuce on the turn or river, or the turn card pairing on the river, or a set, or a diamond (amounting to 15.5 outs) will counterfiet your top two.

[mattaca]

Over pair with a diamond? Thats my guess, likely AA or KK. The small preflop raise wants some action.

Still an akward situation to be in. I probably lay it down here as well.

Any thought to just calling? I know its bad for diamond draws but it might slow him down as well if he thinks you're slowplaying.

I don't think calling is that meritous, as the only cards you want to see are an eight or nine. A diamond 'really' hurts you, as well as a T, J, Q, 5, 6, 7 to a certain extent. Kings and Aces also make the chance of a set a possibility.

I can see ML's reasoning for calling the shove, but I don't like it because:
1. We are still early in the tournament.
2. The pot is not that big, and we can afford to let it go.
3. Even if villain has an overpair with a diamond, a deuce on the turn or river, or the turn card pairing on the river, or a set, or a diamond (amounting to 15.5 outs) will counterfiet your top two.

What about a bigger reraise from the hero then? (just looking for thoughts and opinions)

[mewsiclovr]

Hmmm...just ran a few equity calcs against some of villain's probable hands, and I'm surprised.

- Against AKo (with a diamond) you're ~65/35
- Against almost any higher pair with a diamond you're flipping (didn't realize the flush draw was so strong in this case)
- The only situation we'd really like to see is villain with an overpair, no diamond (71/25). However I don't think this is likely.

Sprinkle in some hands where villain has a made flush or a set (unlikely) and things look pretty close. Meh, it could go either way. If there was a decent amount of chips in the pot it would be easy call, but as played there's not a lot of overlay...ok, good fold.

[sfustsh]

What about a bigger reraise from the hero then? (just looking for thoughts and opinions)

Do you mean raising after villain bets? Villain shoves all in after your raise so you have no chance for a 'reraise' (nitpicking for terms).

I don't think reopening the betting is a good idea here. There can be merits for raising to find out the strength of villain's hand, and also to pick off some stray c-bets. But frankly there arguments are weak. Raising for information is something of an amateur play since the information you get is so vague (have you narrowed his holdings down once he shoves at you? not really..). Not to mention, the BB is still in the hand, and could be trapping with a made flush (not likely, but you don't want to give him reason to shove at you).

This is a complicated little hand for a small little pot. In general folding is NOT a bad play, since, although you may be giving up some value, you are potentially saving yourself your whole stack in a situation where your hand reading might lead you astray, and you are in fact drawing thin.

Calling might be an okay option if you really don't want to fold, but I wouldn't do it. If BB comes alone, assume he has got something good (or at least the Ad unless he's a moron). From there it really depends on what the turn card is and whether villain checks to you. Assuming he won't, you have to fold if a diamond or deuce falls and should strongly consider folding if the BB bets out, trapping with a made hand from the flop. (edit: I just noticed I made a post about why you shouldn't call )

There are just too many things that have to go your way for this hand to be profitable in my opinion, save the money for later when you are more confident on your chances flop to river.

[bigdil511]

This is a rebuy, easy push, if you lose rebuy.

[sfustsh]

This is a rebuy, easy push, if you lose rebuy.

I hadn't thought about that.

This probably changes things, I'll think about it some more.

[mewsiclovr]

MTT with one rebuy and one add-on. I'd already taken the rebuy, and so had villain.

[jacedk]

MTT with one rebuy and one add-on. I'd already taken the rebuy, and so had villain.

Yeah, these tourneys only allow one rebuy, which I always take right away, and one add-on after the first hour. Basically, it's more like a $31 deep stack tourney than a rebuy.

If I had been able to rebuy, I probably would have broken my mouse trying to click call fast enough.

Thanks for some good comments, guys. All in all, I feel pretty ok about folding.