early 100 mtt thoughts?>

[iplaycards]

***** Hand History for Game *****
NL Texas Hold'em Trny: Level:2 Blinds (10/20) - Table Multi-Table) Table (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: mingusjimmy ( $1185 )
Seat 3: Kronebanken ( $905 )
Seat 5: lee270274 ( $2200 )
Seat 6: me ( $890 )
Seat 8: whiteycat ( $920 )
Seat 9: psolistas ( $915 )
Seat 10: LukyRvrDancr ( $1975 )
Seat 1: KALEB_41 ( $1140 )
Seat 4: cafajase4 ( $1180 )
Seat 7: Bigwoop6 ( $955 )
Trny:18946895 Level:2
Blinds (10/20)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to me [ Jh Jc ]
lee270274 calls [20].
me raises [70].
Bigwoop6 folds.
whiteycat folds.
psolistas folds.
LukyRvrDancr folds.
KALEB_41 folds.
>You have options at Table (6 max) Table!.
mingusjimmy raises [500].
Kronebanken folds.
cafajase4 folds.
lee270274 folds.
me is all-In [820]
mingusjimmy calls [390].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5h, Ad, 6h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6d ]
** Dealing River ** [ Kc ]
mingusjimmy shows [ 7s, 7h ] two pairs, sevens and sixes.
me shows [ Jh, Jc ] two pairs, jacks and sixes.
me wins 1830 chips from the main pot with two pairs, jacks and sixes.
>You have options at Table (6 max) Table!.



I have no real reads except that kaleb is an idiot and lee isn't to strong. Notice both of them aren't in the hand. So I do what I do best I play the situation not the player. I am just about to throw my hand away then I thought. In my 15-20 seconds of thinking I realized no one would really raise to 500 with AA or KK but maybe QQ and definatley AK. So far I have one hand slighty beat and the other one I'm a dog by 4-1. Then I think "I'v played probablly 10 million hands (not sure on the real number but wouldn't be suprised if it was more than that) and I'v seen this raise with hands as weak as AQ, AJ, AxS and even JJ-22". Now I have reason to belive that it's an odds call that I am probablly way ahead in or worst case 50/50 and the extreame would be AA-QQ and I bust more often then not. So I go all in knowing he'll call with even 23 at this point. Thoughts on the hand?

[puckhead23]

Keep in mind that I've never played a $100 MTT, but I would imagine these tournaments have a better quality of players on the whole. While a $500 raise might not look like a raise from KK or AA, that could have been the purpose: inducing a call from you because the big raise screams weakness.

I wouldn't give credence for such a thought process at the 10s and 20s that I play, but at the 100s I'm guessing that might be worthy of consideration (if I'm wrong on this point, please feel free to say so). I just think you may have discounted the odds of a bigger pocket pair too much. It certainly turned out well for you, I just don't know how often that would be the case.

[iplaycards]

Of course the average 100 mtt has better players than a 10 or a 20 mtt. But players still aren't that good especially early on in the tourny. When there is 50 left 20 away from the money players tend to be good but still not even that great. Yes he could have raised to 500 to induce a call from me. But I really don't think so. I usually see players value betting their big hands so a raise to say 200 is what would usually happen with AA or KK here. Of course I could fold as I have a lot of time left but I just felt I was way ahead and went with my gut like I try to do more often then not. I have had JJ I think 3 or 4 more times in this tourny but they were more straight forward (flopped OP or all muck pre). And what does he expect me to play with a raise of 500 chips anyways?

[davenklee]

I also don't play this high a tourney, and I also am probably too weak/tight in early rounds of MTTs and even SNGs, but I probably give him credit for a big hand (AA/KK) or big draw (AKs) and lay it down. In the first case I'm dominated and in the second case I'm a coin flip. If I read the raiser as LAG and it's mid tourney and time to make a move, I'm all-in.

[puckhead23]

I guess I'm just a bit stupified that a player at the $100 level would risk half of their chips with pocket 7s in the first half hour of a MTT and was questioning how often that would be the case. You play the big game and know what these players bet with, so you have to go with that knowledge.

[arjonius]

I guess I'm just a bit stupified that a player at the $100 level would risk half of their chips with pocket 7s in the first half hour of a MTT and was questioning how often that would be the case.

You might want to watch some big buyin tournaments. It's pretty interesting to see some of the hands people will play after paying hundreds of dollars or more to enter.

[iplaycards]

Like I said players aren't that good in general in every level of play. I have seen this raise with a small pocket so many times so after thinking I knew I had to make the right play and push. I don't really give respect to anyone untill they earn it at any level I play. I have givin respect to players playing in $5 games because they earned it and I might fold my JJ to those people because I know I'm beat. I read something yesterday that nagrunu said, he was asked if he'd call an all in pre with AK in the first hand of the wsop main event after everyone folded to the SB, who revealed their hole cards of QJ before moving all in. And he said he would.. something to think about.. I think the article was on cardplayer, but I'm too lazy to find it.