Tight Poker

[neverthink]

Just bought PT finally to check how I run, or how other PT users are percieving me. I finally get to see what hands are bringing in the monies lately, and this was one where I want to know if anybody plays this more for value or if a more passive line is ok. All steets welcome for comments.


Eff stacks 160bbs+


$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, March 13, 10:50:36 ET 2007
Table Table 125896 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: Claude18 ( $591.65 )
Seat 2: Hero ( $346.25 )
Seat 6: sombrero444 ( $172.60 )
Seat 5: fungyou ( $89.20 )
Seat 1: Fifty_outzz ( $211.35 )
Seat 4: InstaHeadshot ( $198 )
InstaHeadshot posts small blind [$1].
fungyou posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kc Qc ]
Fifty_outzz folds.
Hero raises [$7]
Claude18 calls [$7]
InstaHeadshot folds.
fungyou calls [$5]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8c, Kh, 7c ]
fungyou checks.
Hero bets [$17]
Claude18 calls [$17]
fungyou folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9d ]
Hero checks.
Claude18 bets [$32]
Hero calls [$32]
** Dealing River ** [ 2s ]
Hero checks.
Claude18 bets [$77]
Hero calls [$77]

Flop is obvious bet, and shove if I get opportunity. Turn and river standard enough?

[ugignadl]

I like a c-r allin on the turn.

As played, you simply must call river. Looks OK to me.

Congrats on a good purchase.

[crunny]

I fold the river. Can't see anything that you beat that bets.

[mirage]

NT get PAHud too, I can't see how you could run that many tables without it anyway unless you were a set miner. It helps so much, even if it's blasphemy to run a HUD according to a purist, you may as well level the playing field.

Seriously, if I weren't running a HUD I wouldn't go past 2 tables, reads are invaluable in NLHE.

Not saying you can't be a winning player 12-tabling 200NL without a hud but it sure as hell can't hurt.

[randy72560]

I agree, PAH is a must!

In this hand NT, I think either he has hit a set or he may have KQ also.. Maybe AK, but it's just hard to say.. Any reads on this guy?? If not, that's where PAH will help a lot!

As played, he must have you tied or beat..

[neverthink]

Ugi, I like the idea of a turn checkraise a lot, and I can't remember the exact reason why I decided to check/call the turn, but I think it was because the only draw that concerned me got there on the turn with the 9 (well, probable draw). Thought may as well let him bluff at me, and prevetn myself from getting raised off the 2nd NFD if he had the straight. I agree that I have to call river as well (in a minute Randy ).

Crunyy and Randy, both of you think I should fold the river. I am not saying you're wrong, I think if it is a fold it is close, so neither is a big mistake. But I have a question, do you fold the river with AK clubs here? And do you never think that this could be a flush draw or the straight draw (that missed and made a pair instead) that decides river is ok to bluff after I slowed down, given that the pot is big enough to not want to just give up. Last thing I thought of was us tying, I don't think he bets one paired hands here, and I think we would have heard from a set on the flop almost always. So that narrows his legit range down a little. Does that sway either of you at all?

Mirage, I don't have much issue about whether Pahud is not kosher/looked down or whatever, I simply have never been into the whole statistics to tell me what the best thing to do is. As PT tells me, I run at something like 17/19 with PFR about 11-14 on average (7k sample size, about enough). Yet I open with all sorts of shit (occasionally) and SCs from UTG etc, so the stats mean little imo, but I did want some reassurances as to how my game changes when 9 tabling compared with when I 6 table. In the case above, I don't think I play the hand any different, and I don't think it's necessary to play less tables with a higher vpip raising 46s and stuff like that. At the end of the day, making plays will most of the time get you into trouble for no real gains. I still don't use PT while playing in game and likely won't do for the time being as I prolly couldn't see the text it displays anyway (19" monitor only). The stuff I would be interested in would be the fold to c bet and c bet frequency though, so maybe with some winnings in the future I will get a widescreen and make use of it. As you say, it's far from necessary, and I can think of several big winning high mid or low stakes players that 7-10 table without any software for very good winrates.

At the moment though, I'm finding it useful to go though every one of my big hands won and lost and see if I would have played anything differently. It's also interesting seeing who the best performing players are and measuring myself against them, makes it more exciting to see myself climbing up a league table in PT if you will.