Call this?

[terminal]

Its early about 5 to 6 hands into a MTT.

Seat 1: irish2244 ($1,250 in chips)
Seat 2: ninner3 ($2,300 in chips)
Seat 3: speedyvelsie ($1,530 in chips)
Seat 4: golfball xx ($1,300 in chips)
Seat 5: BigGizzle ($1,520 in chips)
Seat 6: Terminal_ [9D,9S] ($1,450 in chips)
Seat 7: J.London ($1,360 in chips)
Seat 8: puggybear0 ($2,640 in chips)
Seat 10: mlm7 ($3,030 in chips)



ANTES/BLINDS
ninner3 posts blind ($10), speedyvelsie posts blind ($20).

PRE-FLOP
golfball xx folds, BigGizzle calls $20, Terminal_ bets $60, J.London folds, puggybear0 folds, mlm7 calls $60, irish2244 calls $60, ninner3 calls $50, speedyvelsie calls $40, BigGizzle calls $40.

FLOP [board cards 8D,7C,6H ]
ninner3 checks, speedyvelsie checks, BigGizzle checks, Terminal_ bets $175, mlm7 calls $175, irish2244 bets $1,190 and is all-in, ninner3 folds, speedyvelsie calls $1,190, BigGizzle folds,
Terminal???

Terminal_ folds, mlm7 folds.

TURN [board cards 8D,7C,6H,6D ]


RIVER [board cards 8D,7C,6H,6D,4C ]


SHOWDOWN
irish2244 shows [ AH,10H ]
speedyvelsie shows [ AS,8S ]
speedyvelsie wins $3,090.



SUMMARY
Dealer: irish2244
Pot: $3,090
irish2244, loses $1,250
ninner3, loses $60
speedyvelsie, bets $1,250, collects $3,090, net $1,840
golfball xx, loses $0
BigGizzle, loses $60
Terminal_, loses $235
J.London, loses $0
puggybear0, loses $0
mlm7, loses $235

[mervhage]

Before I looked at the results, I said call. You have top pair with OPESD and you're looking at doubling up early, I say gamble, b/c if you'r behind, you're not that far behind (for example if you're up against a bigger pocket pair).

[rode_dog]

I'm not the strongest MTT player here, so take my advice with a grain of salt. I fold and never give it a second thought. It's too early, you have a soid stack left, the board is not very good and you have 2 all-in's and 1 more player to act. It don't know if I have the disipline, but even aces look like a fold here.

EDIT: I just looked at the results. I still think a fold was correct. I might give monkey #1 some credit for a steal, but the caller is a complete moron.

[bobcorn]

I'd fold this here with 2 ppl all in. If there was only 1 person all in i would be more inclined to call.

[zardnok]

I am going to take you through my thought process as I look at the hand history.

It is early in the tourney, so we don't have any reads on these players yet. We do know that Speedyvelsie has won at least one pot since he has over $1500 chips and mlm7 has doubled up once showing he is overly aggressive this early.

3X BB opening bet with 5 callers. The hand mix could be about anything. Maybe a mid pocket pair in early position and perhaps a suited connector getting pot odds in late position. Someone probably has an Ace-Face or A-X suited.

Now let's look at the post-flop action. 8-7-6 Rainbow. Now we assess what we have. Overpair with an open ended straight draw. Our hand can improve with 2-9s, 4-10s, and 4-5s giving us 10 outs.

What could our opponents have that could have improved with this flop? A mid-pocket pair would call a 3x bb and perhaps hit a set on flop. A suited connector could hit 2 pair or have a made straight. A Pocket Pair bigger than our 9s would have us beat as well.

So let's look at how the betting comes down and how it should be interpreted. Post flop you bet $175 or about half the pot. You get a call from mlm7 who we know is overly aggressive. Irish2244 pushes all-in and is called by Speedy.

A made straight would probably not push all in immediately. They would try to extract value from their hand. A Set or overpair or 2-pair would be scared of the straight draw and look to take the pot down immediately.

I would deduce that Irish hit a set and Speedy probably hit his straight. If Speedy has 9-10, I have to hit one of 3-10s to tie for the pot. If he has 4-5, I have 4-10s to beat him. I see someone with 9-10 suited as more likely to stay in than someone with 4-5 suited.

In this situation, MTT where if you lose all your chips you are out, I think you err on the side of caution. The way the action came down, you are probably behind. Worse case, you are 7% on the turn and 7% on the river to hit a 10 and split the pot. Best case you are up against a pair of 8s. It is early still and you have lots of chips left. Fold and wait for a better spot.

Hope this post wasn't totally disjointed. It is my thought process which can be many times disjointed!

[terminal]

I think it was the right decision to fold. I ended up tripling up about 8 hands later with KK. Only to get busted out about 15 mins later when I 3x raise from LP with no one acting in front of me with ATs and the BB called. The flop was T and 2 rags. I raise the pot and BB goes all-in. I call and he has KT. Turn was a K and I was down to about 3xBB. Very next hand I get 79s and decide to just throw it in and hope for the best. Busted.

[jacedk]

Excellent post Zardnok. I'll just join the choir and say easy fold.

I even think that I would just limp on the flop to play my 99 for set value and dump them if they missed. At this point in a MTT a 3xBB raise only juices the pot and gives the fish better odds to call you down and suck out with junk if you hit. Anyone who would limp in will also call with your raise, so if you want to thin the field, you have to bet more. And with 99 you really don't want some triggerhappy joker re-raising big behind you.

[kbar13]

Excellent post Zardnok. I'll just join the choir and say easy fold.

I even think that I would just limp on the flop to play my 99 for set value and dump them if they missed. At this point in a MTT a 3xBB raise only juices the pot and gives the fish better odds to call you down and suck out with junk if you hit. Anyone who would limp in will also call with your raise, so if you want to thin the field, you have to bet more. And with 99 you really don't want some triggerhappy joker re-raising big behind you.

My thoughts exactly.