Call or Fold?

[snickers99]

If there was ever a time to fold a set, then I think this is it. It's a tough spot after one guy just raises you all in like that, but callable, but 2 players and I think folding is better. But I haven't played $50 for yonks, this could be money shipment time against.

I'd be happy calling the donkey, but I don't think the other guy calls all in without a hand similarly sized to your own. I'd muck it. The BB looks like a confident man.

This is what I was thinking. I'm weak/tight...I fold.

[mervhage]

http://www.ezcall24x7.com/home.asp

Correct.

If either has a bigger set, than congratulations, they've earned it. If either has the straight and I don't fill up, then again, congrats, it is well deserved.

For the record, I have never folded a flopped set in my life.

edit: I mean, I have never folded to a bet on the flop when I have flopped a set.

[neverthink]

http://www.ezcall24x7.com/home.asp

Correct.

If either has a bigger set, than congratulations, they've earned it. If either has the straight and I don't fill up, then again, congrats, it is well deserved.

For the record, I have never folded a flopped set in my life.

edit: I mean, I have never folded to a bet on the flop when I have flopped a set.

Me either, but two all ins? That's different.

[sfustsh]

For the record, I have never folded a flopped set in my life.

edit: I mean, I have never folded to a bet on the flop when I have flopped a set.

You don't think this is a leak?

[poormanbilly]

For the record, I have never folded a flopped set in my life.

edit: I mean, I have never folded to a bet on the flop when I have flopped a set.

You don't think this is a leak?

At 400NL (maybe even higher) and less donkey poker? No, not really.

[ugignadl]

I have folded a set on the flop exactly once. To one of my best friends who played the tightest nittiest weakest game ever. The action was:

I have 44. I raise to 4BBs PF. Three callers, old mate is in position on the field.

Flop 458. (flush draw on board)

I lead for 10BBs. One caller, one fold, old mate minraises to 20BBs. I raise to 60BBs, old mate is all-in for ~200BBs total. I tank and fold. He shows 67 sooooooooted.

So I guess what I'm saying is that except for wacky scenarios with people you have amazing reads on, it's pretty much impossible to fold sets on the flop.

[poormanbilly]

I have folded a set on the flop exactly once. To one of my best friends who played the tightest nittiest weakest game ever. The action was:

I have 44. I raise to 4BBs PF. Three callers, old mate is in position on the field.

Flop 458. (flush draw on board)

I lead for 10BBs. One caller, one fold, old mate minraises to 20BBs. I raise to 60BBs, old mate is all-in for ~200BBs total. I tank and fold. He shows 67 sooooooooted.

So I guess what I'm saying is that except for wacky scenarios with people you have amazing reads on, it's pretty much impossible to fold sets on the flop.

An important point to all of this is you were deep(ish) with a read. On weak-ass 100 BB stacks, lol @ folding sets.

[mervhage]

For the record, I have never folded a flopped set in my life.

edit: I mean, I have never folded to a bet on the flop when I have flopped a set.

You don't think this is a leak?

How can this be a leak?

[nlman]

Seriously WTF people. Call and laugh all the way to the bank.

Edit: Because this post exists, are we looking at and ?

LOL! Right on! MY thoughts exactly.

[ugignadl]

I have folded a set on the flop exactly once. To one of my best friends who played the tightest nittiest weakest game ever. The action was:

I have 44. I raise to 4BBs PF. Three callers, old mate is in position on the field.

Flop 458. (flush draw on board)

I lead for 10BBs. One caller, one fold, old mate minraises to 20BBs. I raise to 60BBs, old mate is all-in for ~200BBs total. I tank and fold. He shows 67 sooooooooted.

So I guess what I'm saying is that except for wacky scenarios with people you have amazing reads on, it's pretty much impossible to fold sets on the flop.

An important point to all of this is you were deep(ish) with a read. On weak-ass 100 BB stacks, lol @ folding sets.

We might have even been deeper, we started with 200BBs but I think we were both ahead of our initial buyins.

Anyway, regardless of all this never folding sets stuff, I have folded plenty on the T and tonnes on the R.... let's not confuse any lurking nubs .

[mirage]

I can only think of one situation that I might consider folding a set on the flop:

I raise 55 (or any other small PP) and am 3bet by Nitty McNit who only reraises AA/KK. (I'm talking stats like 5/2/.1 here.) I call for set value. Flop comes AK5, and he shows resistance. Maybe my read is wrong, maybe he's mixing it up, but I doubt it... buh-bye.

On later streets it takes something like 4 to a straight or flush to make me a real believer to fold a set, either that or a very LP player showing aggression on a board with 3 to a flush or lots of straight possibilities. Even then I hope to draw cheap and fill up, or get to a cheap showdown unimproved.

[tdostie@nc]

Well I guess I have held out the results long even. Here's how it played out.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) TightPoker converter

Hero ($70.50)
MP ($50.80)
CO ($71.95)
Button ($26.25)
SB ($123.80)
BB ($48.60)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with , .
Hero raises to $1, MP calls $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, 1 fold, BB calls $0.50.

Flop: ($4.25) , , (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.5, MP raises to $49.8, Button folds, BB calls $47.60 (All-In), Hero calls $46.30.

Turn: ($151.45) (3 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($151.45) (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $151.45

BB has (flush, ace high).
Hero has (three of a kind, sixes).
MP has (flush, king high).
Outcome: BB wins $147.05. MP wins $4.39.


For the most part I thought this was a pretty easy call. At this level I am pretty much willing to take this risk to triple up. Not the outcome I wanted given that I was a pretty good favorite, but what can you do.

[ugignadl]

OMG thinly veiled bitch post from TD! Shame.

[neverthink]

I have folded a set on the flop exactly once. To one of my best friends who played the tightest nittiest weakest game ever. The action was:

I have 44. I raise to 4BBs PF. Three callers, old mate is in position on the field.

Flop 458. (flush draw on board)

I lead for 10BBs. One caller, one fold, old mate minraises to 20BBs. I raise to 60BBs, old mate is all-in for ~200BBs total. I tank and fold. He shows 67 sooooooooted.

So I guess what I'm saying is that except for wacky scenarios with people you have amazing reads on, it's pretty much impossible to fold sets on the flop.

I like just calling that minraise on the flop. If he is that tight you can assume he has one of the higher sets, or the flopped straight (or air). So I think calling is good to try and boat up and stack him. With 88 I'm all in on the flop and if he has a straight so be it, not too far behind.

[ugignadl]

No way was I just calling the minraise, he could have a lot of hands that minraise there. I needed to know right then if I was up against a set or better. He would have folded or if he was steaming called a two pair or worse hand.

If I called, I don't think there would be any way other than a cheap showdown (he is tight, not stupid, and he wouldn't let that happen) to know what he has. Since after the flop action the pot is large, I don't think 2 pair plays too differently to the straight or a higher set.

Personally I put him on a higher set. But he made the PF call in position on a bunch of donks, so it's fine.