Are you getting all your chips in the middle here?

[crunny]

3rd hand of the trny....

PokerStars Game #7444623476: Tournament #38082935, $6.00+$0.50 Holdem No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/12/14 - 20:19:40 (ET)
Table 38082935 1 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: badkins6 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: DRLAAAA (1480 in chips)
Seat 3: CHASIN 3S (2220 in chips)
Seat 4: crunny (1480 in chips)
Seat 5: jimcubs (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: bubbsx1 (1440 in chips)
Seat 7: tsk4 (1600 in chips)
Seat 8: darcy23 (780 in chips)
Seat 9: paulatinum (1500 in chips)
crunny: posts small blind 10
jimcubs: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to crunny [Qs Qh]
bubbsx1: calls 20
tsk4: raises 60 to 80
darcy23: folds
paulatinum: folds
badkins6: folds
DRLAAAA: folds
CHASIN 3S: calls 80
crunny: raises 220 to 300
jimcubs: folds
bubbsx1: folds
tsk4: raises 220 to 520 >>>> This is just begging for action
CHASIN 3S: folds
crunny: ??????

That re-raise is really iffy. It serves no purpose other than getting some extra value into the pot, which to me screams AA, KK, possibly AK. On the other hand, as many of you have definitely experienced, at these levels, there are some serious morons. But do the morons often re-raise PF?

I was really torn between calling or pushing this hand, what do you guys think?

[mewsiclovr]

Ugh, I want to push, but this is AA/KK a lot.

[crunny]

Ugh, I want to push, but this is AA/KK a lot.

So are you folding?

I didn't think folding was really an option because I am getting over 4:1 odds with position if i call.

[mewsiclovr]

Call for set value is fine, but seems really weak...interested in what others have to say.

[ugignadl]

If he is a maniac, then easy push. Otherwise call and push to unders.

[LadyWrestler]

"Respect the reraise!"

[darinvg]

I would always repush the QQ in the low levels unless you actually have a good read. There have been plenty of times I've seen the scary reraise of "they must have AA or KK" even at the 60s and they flip 88 or AJ.

[flash]

I didn't think folding was really an option because I am getting over 4:1 odds with position if i call.

If he is a maniac, then easy push. Otherwise call and push to unders.

My thoughts exactly.

[sfustsh]

My only comment for this hand is that calling for set value is marginal at best. You need to stack tsk4 and will still not get your odds back.

If you are afraid that your only chance of winning the hand is nailing a set, your 4 to 1 odds are well below what you need, and your implieds don't make up for it (if they do, it's really close).

However a lot of the time this can be AK or even AQ or an underpair (JJ and TT but probably not anything less than that), so I like to call and push unders. This is a rare time where the SB's position can be an advantage.

[sfustsh]

Ugh, I want to push, but this is AA/KK a lot.

So are you folding?

I didn't think folding was really an option because I am getting over 4:1 odds with position if i call.

You don't have position, you're the SB, unless I'm missing something ...

[crunny]

You don't have position, you're the SB...

Oops, got a little confused.

BTW, I re-pushed and he turned over KK.

[scamlan]

Definitely a horrible position to be in but I think I'm committed to the hand. The reason for this is that you put in about 20% of your stack and it's a low limit turbo where you need to get chips quick and often your hands are stronger than the action suggests. If you just call and unders flop you're screwed anyways, and if you just call and an A or K flop then you lost a little over 1/3rd of your stack and your back is really up against a wall since it's a turbo, even if it's still early. But that's just my probably flawed logic.

[bigdil511]

I think this is a marignal situation in low limit tourny's but I don't see myself folding here, calling I think is terrible, so its a push/fold, I push.

[flash]

I think this is a marignal situation in low limit tourny's but I don't see myself folding here, calling I think is terrible, so its a push/fold, I push.

I don't like pushing here, your FE is just about zero. See the flop and then decide.

[bigdil511]

I think this is a marignal situation in low limit tourny's but I don't see myself folding here, calling I think is terrible, so its a push/fold, I push.

I don't like pushing here, your FE is just about zero. See the flop and then decide.

What does he have on the flop if its all unders that gives you any FE anyway? If you push PF you have FE against JJ and AK, AA, KK will not fold doesn't matter. And if flop is all unders you push he isn't folding AA KK anyway so what difference does it make? Also by just calling you are giving away 1/3rd of your stack hoping an A or K doesn't come on the flop and you have no idea where you are than, calling just makes the situation much harder for you.